<DC1020> Wed Dec 1 03:06:26 PST 1999
<DC1020> Subject: STATE OF EMERGENCY ANNOUNCED BY MAJOR SCHELL IN DOWNTOWN AREA
<DC1020> "this is ground control to major schell...."
<DC1020> bedtime part II
* CIDR attempting to discover when it will be cool to head downtown. sounds like they're still gassing semi-heavily down there.
<CIDR> TT205
<TT205> jesus -- really?
<CIDR> well, they just deployed at 5/seneca.
<CIDR> heh
<TT205> CIDR: jesus
<CIDR> you should have seen broadway around 1AM - i went out for a walk - it was emptier than i've ever seen it.
<TEE2> TT205, hades - mornin'!
<CIDR> there were like 2 cars parked along the whole thing, and no pedestrian traffic at all.
<CIDR> the only other people i saw were the guys screwing plywood onto the windows of broadway market.
<TT205> jeesus
<TT205> TEE2: morning!
<CIDR> ladders going up conv center from south side
<TEE2> *wave*!
* hades goes to watch tv coverage
<CIDR> deploying at 4/pike
<TT205> jesus
*** IJ89 has changed the topic on channel #foo to rioting and looting and burning, oh my!
<CIDR> "pike is hostile"
* IJ89 will avoid pike
* wade is not reassured by the smiley talking heads on tv.
<wade> "everything is calm!"
<TEE2> wade!
<wade> TEE2!
<wade> i'm pondering the distinction between an arrested protester and a processed protester.
<CIDR> processing takes place post arrest, i think.
<CIDR> they arrest you, then process you - which i think means "figure out who you are and take your picture and stuff"
<wade> i think they're processing and then arresting.
<CIDR> hmm.
<CIDR> maybe.
<wade> the city reports only 60-ish arrests.
<wade> which would be far less than all those metro busses at sand point.
<CIDR> "a little jar with wires inside of it" seen at 4/union
<CIDR> dispatcher pronounces "howell" "how-ell"
<CO149> yeah. metro control does that too
<CIDR> huh
*** kirk is now known as KP875
<CIDR> KP875
<KP875> CIDR
<CIDR> you at work?
<TT205> KP875
<KP875> yeah
<KP875> TT205
<CIDR> how was the trip downtown?
<KP875> not bad. on madison at least
<CO149> "nominal"
<KP875> things seem to be pretty normal
<CIDR> cool
* CO149 made a point of not using the 5 ave exits from westlake station, though
<KP875> i mean, the bus routes are still messed up, but there is a lot of cars out and traffic seems to be getting through
* wade heads towards downtown.
<wade> wish me luck.
<CO149> "luck"
<CIDR> "stay frosty!"
<CO149> damn fine pic on the front of the PI today of a cop rubber-bulleting a crowd while a tv media dr0k shoots footage in the background
<CIDR> nice.
<CO149> and a mother with toddler on her shoulders looks on
<CO149> ok, maybe that's not what i'm seeing, but there are certainly some juviniles there
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> morning CO149
* IJ89 wonders if he should take the $200 he's obviously not going to spend on boots and acquire a TT scanner
<CO149> IJ89
<CO149> "spend all you want, you'll make more"
<IJ89> indeed
<IJ89> how's the scanner sounding today?
<CO149> dunno..i got distracted by "work"
<CIDR> scanner-like, as far as i can tell.
<CIDR> bunch of random silliness, but no real mayhem, sounds like.
* poon around
<CO149> 8-A can't find his riot stick
<CO149> poon
<CIDR> officer henderson's got it.
<CIDR> it's in his van.
* CO149 tells officer henderson "one cop, one stick"
<CO149> poon, where did you score that frequency yesterday?
<CIDR> henderson, you got the van - now give 8-A his damn riot stick back.
<CIDR> it's hard to drive and bludgeon at the same time, anyway.
<TEE2> truly
<poon> CO149: co-worker.
<poon> he 'found' it.
<TEE2> poon!
<poon> TEE2!
<IJ89> CO149: for what it's worth, i also heard them talking about using FRS freqs. i'd be they're being used for non-tactical stuff
<poon> your arrival is anticipated
* CO149 grabs the alinco and starts up the GMRS/FRS bank
<IJ89> i heard them referring to FRS and "the squat" in the same sentence, so it's prolly the local equivalent of "health and welfare"
* CO149 grabs the T8A and starts scanning down from 470
<IJ89> but they have at least one other channel beyond 469.5 and the FRS stuff
<CO149> 469.5 is silent today
<IJ89> naturally, no freqs were mentioned
<IJ89> no, they're on
<IJ89> i heard 'em this morning, but there's significantly less traffic
<poon> i'll see if he's found anything else of import/use
<CO149> ok, traffic on 469.5
* SW548 around
<CO149> not getting much on FRS, but no surprise. I'm 1/2 mile away thru a concrete jungle
<IJ89> yeah
<IJ89> we *must* get an external antenna up for the DCU scanner
<CO149> indeed
<CO149> i had it hooked up to the discone at home which worked pretty well
<IJ89> yeah, that would be cool
<IJ89> i was getting good reception in my apt using just my flobbly whip
<IJ89> i could hear
<IJ89> "comms" and a few mobiles
<CO149> riot squad ready to deploy somewhere south of stewart
<CO149> oh, indeed
<CO149> 4/stewart southbound
<CO149> large (and apparently noisy) group
* CO149 wonders if a "Mark 46" is a rubber pellet gun
<CO149> arrest team requested at 5/seneca
<CO149> cop line holding at 6/pike in front of sheraton
<CO149> dumpster fire 5/pine
<IJ89> again?
<KP875> dumpster fire #137
<IJ89> heh
<KP875> i never would have thought that the junk in your average dumpster would be so flammable. maybe they were putting something on it first
<IJ89> yeah, prolly someone brought a buncha lighter fluid in a hip flask...
<KP875> although the fires burned for quite a while, so it must have been the actual contents
<IJ89> yeah, i think dumpsters tend to get a lot of paper and stuff in them
<CO149> no fire 5/pine after all
<IJ89> just someone in a yellow and orange suit?
<CO149> prots calling for withdrawl 6/pine
<CO149>
<CO149> Dear Crazed Protesters -
<CO149> For some reason, the Flowpoint people are hesitant to come into the
<CO149> downtown area today. Perhaps it's the seagulls. So, surprise surprise,
<CO149> Flowpoint training is cancelled today. They will be getting back in touch
<CO149> with us to reschedule. Sorry!
<CO149> marauding and looting,
<CO149> Gilad
<CO149>
<CIDR> HEH
<IJ89> hehe
<CIDR> group of 3 unknowns atop nordstroms.
<CO149> 3 ppl on top of nordstrom
<CO149> order to disperse, 500 block pike
<CO149> cops masking up
<IJ89> gonna be another fun day in downtown
<CO149> prot base op uses words like "traffic" and "full quieting"
* CO149 considers a run to sand point to bust out the protesters
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> prot base op is a ham. he also used the word "QSY" last night
<CO149> plains clothes infiltrating rhubarb at 6/pine
<CO149> IJ89: his first name is "john" which slipped
<IJ89> ah, interesting
<IJ89> means nothing, unfortunately. no indication where any of these peopel are really from
<CO149> indeed
* CO149 wonders where the FCC foxhunters are
<IJ89> "not interested"
<IJ89> heh
<CO149> heheeh
<IJ89> it would be interesting to do a bit of hunting ourselves...
<IJ89> 470 MHz DFing stuff should be pretty small
<SW548> they're out smoking skunk weed
<CO149> you have that antenna
<IJ89> mmmm. skunk weed
<IJ89> so i do.
<CO149> we can pull that out and drive along denny
<IJ89> yeah, that'd actually be quite interesting
<IJ89> dunno how selective it really is, though
<CO149> crowd breaks thru at 4/union, damage to patrol vehicles
<CO149> all i have are duckies
<IJ89> well, more selective than that, then.
<IJ89> heh
<CIDR> i've got some tinfoil!
<CIDR> and some string!
<IJ89> hey, we've got all we need now!
<CIDR> can i help?
<CIDR> heheh
* CO149 ducks out for some bubblegum
<IJ89> actually, tinfoil might be useful
<SW548> if I hear one more news commentater apologize for Seattle, saying something trite like "we're usually a quiet, latte-sipping community" (which I just heard) - I'm gonna fucking scream.
<IJ89> man
<IJ89> local media generally needs to be shot
* KP875 returns with his latte
<SW548> heh
<IJ89> even KUOW was getting on my nerves with their "live coverage"
* hades semi-monitoring
<IJ89> hades: how many 94's did that RS have in stock?
<hades> Umm. 4 or 5, I think.
<KP875> how much is something like that?
<IJ89> $200
<IJ89> on sale right now
<IJ89> normally $300
<CO149> "the package" has a mission this afternoon
<IJ89> ooh. "the package"
<CO149> chief joiner is working on another plan
<IJ89> trojan horse?
<CO149> could be
<CIDR> air raid?
<IJ89> er.... "seattlite horse"?
<CIDR> heh
* CO149 can't wait to see how they get Bill outta the westin
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> is that were he is?
<CO149> si
<CIDR> "with a lot of guys with chevy suburbans and hk's"
* IJ89 still waiting for that one single sniper in the crowd
<KP875> heh
<SW548> yeah, it looks like he's already left - they showed a motorcade leaving about 5-min. ago.
* hades is still waiting for the zealot in a cessna packed full of high explosives to crash into the westin.
<CO149> why would they be blocking truck traffic to ahrbor island
<IJ89> dangerous factory workers there
<CIDR> "because they're not having much luck blocking stuff downtown?"
<SW548> Clinton is going somewhere near there this morning
<CO149> hades: and he'll miss and hit the hotel :-)
<IJ89> they might explode at any time
<SW548> somewhere at the port o seattle is where he's speaking, I believe
<hades> GOd damn. 209 people listening to my scanner. I feel like a pirate radio operator, or something.
<IJ89> heh. you rock, hades
<SW548> you're legendary!
<IJ89> and i can easily imagine that this is the most interesting place to listen to with a scanner right now
<IJ89> you find a wall bug?
<hades> Yeah, ran across the street to QFC and got a decent one for $10.
<hades> All of mine had been, at one point or another, spliced with new plugs.
<CO149> hades: you're #3 on shoutcast's list
<hades> None of which fit the scanner.
<hades> Crap, I'm up to 3?
<hades> I was just 4.
<IJ89> heh
* hades takes a screenshot.
<IJ89> hades: cool. glad to hear it was resolved, at least
<KP875> the revolution will not be televised, but it will be rebroadcast by hades
<KP875> heh
<hades> *grin*
<IJ89> indeed
<CO149> westbound spokane st bridge closed
<IJ89> there goes west seattle
<IJ89> "oh well"
<hades> And my friend with a machine under a desk at the UW, who's providing the bandwidth.
<SW548> when the revolution comes #foo will not be televised
<IJ89> i would hope not
<CO149> no, but the scrool will be ay /home/chris/typescript
<CIDR> our ratings would drop like a stone.
<CIDR> kinda like the wizard in the wizard of oz.
<CIDR> people would discover we're just some stumpy, balding dwarf with no real magic powers.
<SW548> or the wizard in Mr. wizard
<SW548> or the wizard in the hobbit
<CO149> hades, do you have a hit log for that?
<KP875> even if things got really interesting, i don't think there is any chance that your shoutcast server is going to beat "Pop 80's", hades
<CO149> black scarbes, in the alley 500 block btw pike and pine
<KP875> heh
<hades> No, pop 80's is in for the long haul. I'm just a flash in the pan.
<hades> "psychedelic painted flower van"?
<CO149> oh boy
<CIDR> whoops.
<CIDR> law enforcement impersonators..
<hades> "grenade launchers"?
<hades> Jeez.
<CIDR> with grenade launchers.
<CIDR> or something.
<CO149> and riot gear
<IJ89> that sounds... bad
<CO149> almost as bad as pop 80's music
<IJ89> indeed
<CIDR> hey!
<CIDR> heh
<CIDR> "arrest team to santa's at 6/pine"
<CO149> heheeh
<CO149> santa will know who's naughty and nice!
<CO149> and so will the FBI, undoubtedly conducting interviews at sand point
*** CO149 is now known as |
<|> I'm glad you appreciate the notices. Sometimes stuff happens before we can
<|> get a transit alert out. Also, to make sure all personnel in our building
<|> were safe yesterday, they were sent home at 5:00 PM. So, stick with us, we
<|> are doing our best to get the information to you - so you can *sneak* around
<|> the city :-)
*** | is now known as CO149
<CIDR> heh
* CO149 had complained that metro didn't page me when they closed the tunnel
<CIDR> dressed like a what??
<IJ89> heh
<CIDR> oh.
<CIDR> in black.
<CIDR> i'd have sworn she said "carrying a crowbar and dressed like a yak"
<KP875> heh
<IJ89> yurt!
<CO149> anarchist yelling at bill
<KP875> sounds like they are having radio problems
<SW548> clinton heading to terminal 5 on harbour island, I believe
<KP875> the shoutcast server went down?
<SW548> hmmm. yeah, I can't connect.
<CIDR> back now, kinda
<CIDR> buncha folks headed for 4 seasons
<CO149> there was something about ppl walking onto the freeway
<CO149> "never mind"
<TEE2>
<TEE2> this is badass!
<TEE2>
<CIDR> heh!
<CIDR> ideed.
<CIDR> er, indeed.
<IJ89> our hades. he rocks.
<TEE2> yup!
<TEE2> the whole engineering dept is talking about it
*** spud (mikeh [whirlpool] eidolon.muppetlabs.com) has joined channel #foo
<CO149> spud
<CIDR> spud
<TEE2> spud!
<spud> Hiya folks.
<hades> "doubletime to the corner!"
<CIDR> what're they screaming about now?
<KP875> heheh
<CIDR> ah
<hades> God damn, I'm #2.
<CO149> wow
<CIDR> HEH
<KP875> ah, you bumped up the limit. cool
<CO149> 25 police units west on madison
<CO149> media reports activity at 5/pine
<KP875> looks like you'll overtake Techno Triphop soon
<IJ89> heh
* IJ89 would be happy to add his hit to the counter, but alas, adobe's firewall is stuck in the dark ages
<CIDR> wow
<CIDR> where's the stats page for that?
<IJ89> shoutcast.org i think
<KP875> www.shoutcast.com
* hades gets support [whirlpool] bytecenter.com to mirror his stream.
<CIDR> wow
<CIDR> kickass!
<KP875> heh, rad
<CIDR> how can you tell how many people are listening?
* IJ89 -> lunch
<hades> The server has a status page I'm watching, and www.shoutcast.com reports it too.
<CIDR> ah, i guess i'm not seeing that part.
<CIDR> AH. got it.
<CIDR> wow, that's pusing like 2Mb/sec
<CIDR> heh
<CIDR> er, pushing
* CO149 wonders if 80's pop will calm the savage beast dntn
<hades> Mmm, 80's pop.
<SW548> 80's pop makes me hairtrigger irritable
<hades> Heh.
<hades> I've made the big time:
<hades> 0*** Channel Users TopicB
<hades> 0*** #wto 34 Seattle Police Scanner shoutcast live atB
<hades> 0 128.95.10.82:8000 , use WINAMP to listeB
<CIDR> kickass!
<TEE2> wow
<CIDR> that efnet?
<CO149> woohoo!
<hades> Yeah.
<CO149> edges out that hiphop crap by one connection
<CIDR> yay!
<SW548> woohoo!
<KP875> what is a good efnet server?
<CIDR> no idea
<poon> anything exciting happen today?
<hades> EFNet: I use irc.freei.net, irc.anet-stl.com, and irc.concentric.net mostly.
<KP875> cool
<CO149> 80's pop fell off
<CIDR> d'oh!
<CIDR> heheh
<CO149> guess who's #1
<CIDR> IN YOUR FACE, 80's POP!
<CO149> hades, you get another mirror?
<CO149> your max went up to 421
<hades> Hot damn.
<hades> One of the other guys who offered a mirror must have come through.
<TEE2> HEHEH - everyone has it playing on their speakers here
<TEE2> i just took off my headphones and realized it was playing outside too
* CO149 hopes hades is breaking a law :)
<CIDR> HEH
<hades> *grin*
<CIDR> lotsa non-US folks on #wto
<hades> I probably am.
<TEE2> hehehe
<CO149> if you were rebroadcasting on a radio, i'd *know* you were. but i'm not sure the privacy provisions in the communications act apply to public service radio
* SW548 gets out the plastic wire wraps and heads to hades houe
* CIDR derails SW548 with an offering of skunk weed
* SW548 successfully derailed
* deadman animates in the corner
<CIDR> deadman
<deadman> CIDR
<deadman> 'morning
* SW548 just wants everyone to quit harshing on his mellow
<SW548> deadman
<deadman> SW548
<deadman> SW548's mellow
<deadman> damn, i slept forever.
* CIDR ceases and decists all mellow-harshing activities
* CIDR getting freaky interference
* SW548 too
<SW548> it's harshing on my mellow, like, harshly!
<CIDR> dude, that's harsh.
<hades> Hm.
<hades> I'm getting a really bad hum.
<CIDR> yeah, that's basically what i'm getting
<SW548> yeah, that's it for me too
<deadman> so what's going on downtown? is it back to normal yet?
<SW548> like somebody plugged in a hairdryer
<SW548> OK, now my mellow is, like, *totally* harshed!
<CIDR> deadman: nope, not exactly
* CIDR tosses his mellow over onto the HARSH heap w/ SW548's
<SW548> mellow returning slowly, but harshly
<SW548> Clinton just showed up on harbour island
<hades> The hum goes away if I take the scanner outside of my apartment.
<SW548> ...drinking what appears to be tea, but is probably some kind of liquid kryptonite
<deadman> "eye of the space needle" cam appears to be showing a picture of pine, right by the mcd's. looks like a mob.
<CO149> ppl being searched near 420 facility
<hades> The hum appears very localized.
* CO149 has no hum on his radio
<hades> If I take the scanner to the other side of the wall, about 3 feet away, it's not there.
<hades> If I take it into the living room, it's faint.
<tterb> oy
<deadman> so the "magic dragon" is at 420 broadway. i was eating there once with ben and some d00d walked up to us and tried to buy pot. took just a little bit to figure out why.....
<hades> On the porch it's faint, in the driveway it's gone.
<CO149> well, turn off the hairdryer
* CO149 dives behind the couch!
<deadman> heh
<tterb> more nonsense?
<tterb> good day to stay at home probably
<CO149> totally
* hades gets uberparanoid.
<hades>
<hades> Is this HUM a normal sound you get from your scanner or is it odd. The
<hades> reason I ask is I'm curious, It sounds like the jammers we used in the
<hades> military.
<hades>
<CIDR> whoa
<deadman> lordy
* CO149 confirms no one is being jammed
* hades goes outside to scout for black helicopters.
<tterb> hehe
<deadman> boost the signal to the forward emitter, prepare a tachyon pulse, and i'll erect a level four containment field.
<CO149> why do that when they can send a friendly FBI agent to just tell you to stop?
<deadman> where's the fun in that?
<CO149> well, i admit that tachyon pulses are *much* cooler
<deadman> hm. it's looking almost normal downtown. i'm tempted to go into the office.
<CIDR> deadman: yeah, i'm heading in soon
<deadman> i'm just fearful of getting stuck in something like what happened yesterday. i want to avoid tear gas as much as possible.
<CIDR> i've been dialed in all day, but need to get at some raptor stuff.
<deadman> when you heading out?
<CIDR> not sure yet.
<CIDR> probably 15 min or so
* SW548 can confirm that his officemates in the "building only CO149 knows the real name of" AKA the Darth Vader Building were all able to get in w/o a problem and are doing fine
<CO149> deadman: yeah. metro closed the tunnel early. I was downtown after curfew
<deadman> cool - i'll go down with ya. gonna dash through the vats right now....
<hades> So, um.
<hades> Any ideas what to look for to eliminate this hum?
<deadman> CO149: yeah, i *dont* wanna have to deal with that.
<deadman> if it would harsh SW548's mellow, then i'll have none of it!
<CO149> anything that uses electricity
* SW548 lifts a bong in deadmans general direction
<CO149> you get the hum on battery power. too?
<tterb> raptor?
<deadman> is there a cat in the house? i'd look there first.
<CIDR> tterb: yeah, work stuff i can't do from home
* deadman declines the skunk weed, feeling a need to "stay frosty"
<tterb> top sekrit?
<CIDR> nah
<CIDR> heh
* tterb accepts the skunk weed.
<deadman> brb
<CIDR> but on my NT box.
<tterb> i'm about to head down as well
<tterb> not to amazon though, of course
* SW548 contendedly shares his mellow w/tterb
* hades confirms hum on battery power.
<hades> Hum is confined to the interior of my house, more or less.
<hades> Step outside the door and it drops off sharply then disappears.
<CO149> heater goig?
<hades> Nope.
<CO149> neighbors playing with the TENS unit?
<hades> The hum was present even with the volume set to 0.
<hades> I mean, the hum is evident in the cable itself, as well as the scanner.
<hades> Both scanners.
<CO149> low hum, 60 Hz?
<CO149> or more of a buzz, around 200?
* CO149 has a phone that picks that up
<CIDR> sounded higher than 60
<hades> Hm.
<CO149> northbound 1/cedar, 200 marchers
<hades> Yeah, sounded higher than 60.
<CO149> well, can you move the computer to a window? :-)
<CIDR> no hum now
<hades> Fixed it.
<hades> It was my cordless phone.
<CO149> rad
<CO149> aHA
<CO149>
<CO149> I have received word that there could be a
<CO149> significant demonstration at crack park
<CO149> tonight at around 6PM. Employees are advised
<CO149> to avoid the area, stay inside and keep our
<CO149> front and rear doors locked.
<CO149>
<CIDR> ooh.
<spud> Where is crack park?
<poon> 3rd and ... uh.. something?
<spud> THe crack park in belltown?
<CO149> 3/bell, yeah
<CO149> waterfront streetcar shutting down
* IJ89 returns
* IJ89 notes that there are weird WTO ganks wandering around adobe
<CIDR> IJ89: give them skunk weed
<IJ89> ok
<CO149> steelworkers march at 1/clay 2-300
* IJ89 -> skunk weed distribution
* IJ89 changes his mind and hoards the skunk weed for distribution to the protestors if they can figure out where he is
<IJ89> "this is agent XX, i *have* the skunk weed!"
<CIDR> heheheheh
* IJ89 is sorely tempted to transmit that on 469.5
<IJ89> although that's so close to the edge of my radio's range that i'd probably only put out a fraction of a watt on high power
* deadman back
<IJ89> morning deadman
<CIDR> re, deadman
<deadman> IJ89
<deadman> howdy
<deadman> i'm hoping a trip into work isn't too foolish.
<deadman> heh
* IJ89 wonders briefly if he could get about $300 out of his two 2m radios, for to buy a dual bander with wide receive
<deadman> especially since all i really wanna do is stay home, drink coffee and watch movies.
*** Signoff: spud (Leaving)
<IJ89> deadman: sounds like it might passable, but you'd do well to be careful
<IJ89> "be alert for tear gas"
<deadman> "oh, i'll be careful"
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> i'd opt for coffee and movies, if that's an option
<deadman> got a sampling of the gas last night. mmmm.
<deadman> well, i haven't been in to the office since wednesday.
<IJ89> heh. i half way want to come down and experience it
<deadman> that just seems wrong.
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> indeed, a week is a long time
<deadman> and i don't want folks thinking i'm a wuss. heh.
<IJ89> i wasn't aware you cared what other people thought of you. ya wuss.
<IJ89> heh
<deadman> heheheh
* KP875 watching clinton at pnm://real.mp.intervu.net/cnnlive3
<IJ89> wow, i had lunch in under an hour today! it's amazing what a local restaurant can provide
* CIDR would have lunch at mcd's in less than 15 minutes, 'cept that it's boarded up.
<IJ89> he keeps waving his hand. weirdo
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> well, i've been having 2 hour lunches lately...
<CIDR> "peacekeeper standing by at your disposal"
<IJ89> god, clinton looks like a poorly formed plastic robot
<CO149> IJ89: shh
<CO149> don't let the secret out
<deadman> heheheh
<IJ89> oop
* IJ89 shuts up
<SW548> .msg IJ89 his password is "kickstart"
<IJ89> .msg SW548 thanks. i'll use my power only for good
* IJ89 telnets to clinton.whitehouse.gov
<deadman> heheh
* CIDR heading out
<deadman> bee there in about five.
<CIDR> deadman: got it
* IJ89 loses video feed
<deadman> okay
<deadman> ready
* deadman -> vivace -> work
* CO149 notes that while "Chaos closes downtown" has the biggest headline, "Lakers beat Sonics, 101-77" appears over the masthead
* TT205 MOTNIROGIN
<CO149> TT205
<SW548> TT205
<SW548> who is the manufacturer (tandy?) of this now legendary nnn-94 scanner that I'm going to go look for?
<SW548> I've found a Uniden BC895XLT 300 channel scanner at he 'Zon - wondering how it compares
<TT205> heya all
<IJ89> SW548: the one you found is a desktop, and compares pretty well
<IJ89> the 94 is a handheld
<SW548> Oh, really?
<IJ89> yeah
<IJ89> the 94 is "walkie talkie" sized
* poon perked up, listening
<IJ89> the 895 is the desktop model we have for the DCU stuff, when and if we ever get a streaming server going
<IJ89> functionally, i think they're pretty close. the 895 prolly has a marginally better receiver, and has the computer control stuff in it
<SW548> other than the obvious advantage of being portable - are their big feature differences between the two?
<SW548> oh, thanks (I'm still behind, aren't I)
<IJ89> aside from computer control, probably not. maybe the 895 has greater coverage
<IJ89> i'd have to compare the specs
<IJ89> the 94 has 1000 "channels" and hte 895 has 300
<IJ89> i think they mean "memory locations" when they say channels, though
<SW548> 29Mhz - 965Mhz range for the 895
<IJ89> i'd compare the two in terms of my desired usage before i compared specs, thoguh
<IJ89> if i was gonna sit at my desk and listen, i'd get the 895. if i was gonna walk around or sit on the bus and listen, i'd get the 94
<IJ89> if i was going to do both, i'd get the 94, since the 895 isn't even vaguely portable
<SW548> hmmm. who makes the 94?
<IJ89> if you're curious, bearcat makes a 245, which is portable like the 94. it's the same price as the 94, and is similarly featured
<IJ89> 94 is nominally made by realistic, a tandy/RS company
<IJ89> dunno who "really" makes it, though
<SW548> right.
<CO149> uniden
<IJ89> ah
<hades> Uniden
<hades> Yeah.
<SW548> so is the Unien 245xlt handheld comparable to the 94?
<IJ89> but the bearcat 245 only has 300 channels, and is probably the "portable equivalent" of the 895
<IJ89> well, the channel count is different, and the 94 is a newer design
<IJ89> i dunno what else is different
<IJ89> check www.strongsignals.net (or .com, or whatever) -- they have reviews
<IJ89> yeah, .net
<SW548> the specs I'm looking at for the uniden 245XLT say 300 channels
<IJ89> right
<CO149> hades, looks like your mirrors fell off
<IJ89> and the 94 has 1000
* CO149 is even considering "upgrading"
<IJ89> http://www.strongsignals.net/htm/model.htm#SEC11
<SW548> didn't you say that was a different speck?
<IJ89> that sez that the 94 and hte 245 are the same
<SW548> heh - spec
<hades> Yeah, the guy who was mirroring them got disconnected and couldn't get back on. Heh.
<TT205> so. wade and i are in a car with a vendor, heading south on 1st ave. i look up, and there is a *wall* of people heading toward us, about a block away. vendor slams on brakes. wade and i duck out of the car and head for western.
<IJ89> i tend to think that the pro-91 is more closely equivalent of bc245, but that's only a casual observation
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> good job, TT205
<CO149> (! is more like the older 235
<CO149> er
<CO149> 91 is
<IJ89> really? ok
<SW548> so, just so I'm clear, the 94 and 245 are the same device, just that one is marketed by Realistic and one directly as Uniden. Is that correct?
<IJ89> um. i dunno if that's correct or not
<IJ89> i thought it wasn't
<CO149> i expect there are some differences
<CO149> i haven't seen a "uniden" model that's exactly like my "radio shack" model
<IJ89> that would make sense
* CO149 must get food. he has a tedious meeting comeing up
<CO149> bbl
<IJ89> SW548: i recommend (if you're really interested) checking www.radioshack.com and looking at their prices, pictures, and specs
<IJ89> (hit catalog search, telephones and communications, communications, scanners)
<SW548> right. I'm just checking the Amazon pages on the Uniden right now
<IJ89> and uniden prolly has their own page too -- lemme check
<IJ89> what's the amazon price on the 245?
<SW548> 249.99
<SW548> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000JBRT/qid=944083081/sr=1-6/002-5500752-2129845
<IJ89> www.hamradio.com has the 245 for $219
<IJ89> http://www.hamradiostore.com/cgi-bin/uncgi/ase?MAN=Uniden&MAX=1000&OPT=on
* KP875 receives email from BT alex brown
* IJ89 wonders vaguely if there's any exciting packet activity related to this whole WTO thing
<SW548> the Uniden touts the ability to scan multiple trunks simultaneously - I can't find mention of that feature on the pro-94 - is this useful?
<IJ89> yes
<IJ89> if you want to listen to, say, police and fire at the same time. i know CO149 has complained about this in the past
<SW548> do you know if the pro-94 can do this?
<IJ89> and some offer the ability to scan both trunk and conventional at the same time -- this is also useful
<IJ89> i don't know. lemme poke around the rs site
<SW548> that's where I'm at and I can't find any mention of that feature
<IJ89> at a guess, it can't
<SW548> hmmmm.
* IJ89 wonders if CO149 would be interested in selling his "old" scanner for a modest sum
* IJ89 just wants the TT ability, all else is merely icing
<SW548> does the fact that it's referred to as a "dual-trunking scanner" indicate this feature?
<IJ89> that most likely indicates that it can listen to two trunks at once
<SW548> which is the same feature we've been talking about, right?
* CIDR MONITORING
<SW548> CIDR
<IJ89> i assume that it's significant that the 245 is selling for around $220, and that the 94 is selling for $300 normally
<KP875> CIDR
<CIDR> SW548
<KP875> i just got the 'we got your paperwork' email
<IJ89> well, two trunks at once != trunk + conventional
<TT205> CIDR
<CIDR> TT205
<SW548> right - which was an unknown feature of the Uniden.
<CIDR> ooh
<CIDR> debating scanners?
<CIDR> what's the basic skinny? i think i gotta get me one.
<SW548> but the 2-at-once feature was what I was trying to determine
<SW548> trying to discern the differences/benefits of a pro-94 vs. Uniden 245
* IJ89 sees that the 245 does indeed have computer control
<KP875> CIDR: i just got it, so your's is probably coming soon
<IJ89> http://www.uniden.com/docs/product/prdetail.cfm?product=BC245XLT
<SW548> IJ89: computer control is *not* a feature of the pro-94, correct?
<IJ89> as far as i kknow, correct
<SW548> the radio shack page is a little light in the spec/feature description dept.
<hades> Hey, does anyone have winamp running at the moment?
<SW548> I do
<hades> Could you check and see if http://www.elsewhere.org:8080/ is a working shoutcast stream of the scanner?
<SW548> it's buffering
<IJ89> SW548:i'm trying to find more info on the PRO-94
<SW548> you bet so!
<hades> Sweet, thanks.
<hades> (pro-94 has no compter control, correct)
<SW548> is that worth the $40 difference, do you guy's think?
<IJ89> http://www.strongsignals.net/htm/pro-94.htm
<IJ89> i wouldn't pay for it. unless you want to leave it at home and control it remotely
<IJ89> remember that the 94 *normally* sells for $300, it's just on sale now (and probably not worth much more than about $250)
<IJ89> while the 245 normally sells for between 220 and 250
*** deadman is now known as DC1020
* DC1020 MONITORING
<IJ89> and it may be worth finding someone who can let you handle either scanner, and see if the operation is even vaguely intuitive for you. i find that matters a bunch more than numeric specs once i actually own a device
<SW548> right - I'm just trying to figure out what the differences are. I'm new to all this, so I'm easily mired down in what might seem to be irrelevent details...
<IJ89> yeah, it is easy to get lost in meaningless minutae
* DC1020 gets his stuff from unamerican.com
<DC1020> (including the "i guess i was punk once" tshirt and the "sinner" tshirt)
<DC1020> strangely appropriate
<SW548> In your wisened opinion, then, IJ89 - the pro-94 is a better scanner than the 245 (I know, I know)?
<IJ89> hmm
<IJ89> i would say, having never seen either of them, "yes"
<IJ89> i say this mostly because it's newer, has more channels, and is likely a "better" design due to its more recent production date
<IJ89> things like the receiver will be better. the ergonomics will be totally up to you -- i'd seriously go to radio shack and play with one for a few minutes. if you can't figure out how to change bands, look through a few channels, and do some other stuff...
<IJ89> it may be more trouble than it's worth.
<IJ89> you *can* find local retailers of both scanners in seattle (dunno about PT), and they're so close in features that usability might well win the race
<IJ89> i know that CO149's pro-91 was slightly baffling to me when i played with it, so the bearcat might be easier to use
<SW548> thanks so much for indulging me - I just need a little hand-holding before diving in
<IJ89> as far as receiving signals out in PT, we can get you hooked up with a hefty antenna and a preamp if necessary
<IJ89> nae prob. always looking for more radio converts...
<IJ89> and, i'm always happy to talk radio. i really like it...
<SW548> wouldn't I want a desktop model, though, if the radio/pre-amp contraptions proved necessary?
<IJ89> not necessarily. those could be hooked into the handheld as easily, and then you could take it to seattle with y ou when you went
<IJ89> (and we could stick in marine channels and the like for the ferry crossing...)
<SW548> OK - I'm off to run errands w/the fiance - *may* return w/a scanner....
<IJ89> if you do decide for a desktop model, you're gonna have to plant it somewhere, but you'll probably get a better/easier to use radio
<IJ89> excellent. good luck
<IJ89> (and certainly, if you hook it up to a computer, you can get it *really* easy to use)
* IJ89 finds a good review of the 245
<IJ89> http://www.strongsignals.net/htm/rev245.htm
<IJ89> it *can* scan both trunk and conventional at the same time, and two trunks at once, looks like
<CIDR> what's that mean, really?
<CIDR> (to a dumbass like me)
<IJ89> it means you can listen to the cops and metro at the same time (while scanning)
<DC1020> so what's "trunk" and "conventional"?
<IJ89> or listen to cops and fire at the same time (since they use different "trunks")
<IJ89> trunk is when you have a data channel, and N voice channels. *every* trunk transciever talks to the data channel to figure out where to go, then you have a conversation on "your" channel (as determined by the trunk controller)
<IJ89> this way you can have 1000 peopel sharing 8 voice channels
<IJ89> "conventional" is where the cops get 851.5 MHz, and the fire dept gets 851.7 MHz, and that's all ya get
<IJ89> ie, where there's no interactive retuning
<IJ89> basically, under normal circumstances, trunking means you can get many more users into a slice of spectrum than with conventional
<IJ89> but under emergency/high traffic situations, it means that trunk users get screwed (i can't talk!) and conventional users are better off
<CIDR> so "trunking" is why you can only hear one side of a conversation in a taxi?
<IJ89> all these dep'ts like trunk because they can fit lots more users in their allocated channels
<IJ89> uh, that's probably duplex, where the taxi transmits on channel A and listens on channel B
<CIDR> hmm. ok.
<IJ89> trunk, once you have your channel, is simplex -- everyone uses channel A for talking and listening
<IJ89> or, more likely, the taxi was in range of you, and whoever he was talking to wasn't
<IJ89> so you can hear the controller, and not the taxi (the usual case)
<CIDR> well, what i meant was sometimes you'll hear the dispatcher in a taxi say "hey, cab 413, where the hell are you?" and then some silence and then "ok, well, go the hell over to <address> and pick this guy up."
<IJ89> oh, and trunking is a repeating system, if i've got it right -- everyone talks through a repeater
<CIDR> and presumably cab 413 is talking back during the silence.
<IJ89> yeah
<IJ89> that's just when you can't hear 413 ;'cause he's 10 miles away
<CIDR> ah.
<IJ89> and in that case, the taxis aren't using a repeater -- they depend on their car's signal reaching all the way back to the base. and they don't normally need to talk to each other, just to base, so that works
<IJ89> cops have to talk to each other, sometimes across distance, using only a handheld radio -- the repeater means that they can do that
<CIDR> right
<IJ89> the repeater is stuck up on a mountain, with a really good re3ceiver, so it can hear everyone. then it repeats it all back so everone can hear everyone
<CIDR> so trunking is basically like a switch - it controls who can talk when
<IJ89> exactly
<CIDR> so what is trunk tracking? seems like if everyone is using the same frequency, couldn't you just listen to that?
<IJ89> in fact, a trunk system is almost precisely like a switch, except that the switch ports aren't wired to be the same -- it'd be like a dynamic switch
<IJ89> well, it switches if you're quiet for more than 2 seconds, or something
<IJ89> so, you can listen to one conversation on one channel, but it might switch out in a second or two
<IJ89> the idea behind tracking the trunk is that your receiver can follow the conversation by listening for the talk group -- which is the serial number/ID number that sez who you want to talk to
<CIDR> so what exactly is a channel, in relation to a frequency?
<IJ89> so the trunk controller sez "your ID is 10, and you wanna talk to another 10 -- go to channel A"
<IJ89> a channel is about 12.5 kHz of spectrum
<IJ89> which is really about 5 kHz of signal and some buffer so you don't run over your neighbor
<IJ89> so you have 851.1875 as channel A, 851.4125 as channel B, 851.9375 as channel C, etc.
<IJ89> (real freqs, bogus channel designators, i'm sure)
<KP875> how big are these scanners?
* CO149 INOGTMINOR
<IJ89> about 3" wide by about 5-7" tall by perhaps 1" thick
<IJ89> er. more like 2" wide, i guess
<KP875> hmm, cool
<IJ89> 2.5(W) x 1.75(D) x 6(H) inches
<IJ89> that's for the 245
<IJ89> wow, that's thick
<IJ89> CO149: you spot any mistakes yet?
* IJ89 probably made a few trunking blunders
<CO149> lemme check the scrool...
<KP875> i might be interested in something i can fit in my jacket and plug some headphones into
<IJ89> KP875: for the 94 (rjl20's scanner): 2.6"(W) x 6.3"(H) x 1.75"(D)
<IJ89> yeah, CO149 does that with his 91
<KP875> and the 94 has a headphone jack and runs off batteries?
<IJ89> yes
<hades> Yup.
<TT205> hades. dude.
<KP875> rad, i might just have to stop at radio shack tonight. heh
<IJ89> heh
<hades> Can run off nicad batteries and recharge off a wall wart while you're using it.
<CO149> IJ89: your discussion is essentially correct
<hades> Kinda cool.
<IJ89> stop at one far away or call first. most people are outta them
<IJ89> CO149: excellent. glad to see i have a basic understanding...
<KP875> heh, i bet
<hades> Except I have NiMH rechrgeable batteries.
<IJ89> oooh. hades is 'leet
<hades> TT205, heya.
<CO149> think of a trunking system like a dhcp system. a talkgroup "leases" a frequency. after 30-60 secs of no activity the lease expires
<IJ89> ah, a good analogy
<CO149> but most of the city and county gov't get by on 25 voice channels
<CO149> there's about 8000 radios
<IJ89> is that what it is?
<IJ89> that's kinda scary
<CO149> metro still uses their own uhf system for dispatching and control, but two of their channels are simulcast on the trunk so the off-duty cops can access it
<tterb> KP875
<CIDR> IJ89: just read scrollback re: channels - thanks, i think i get it
<IJ89> sure
<IJ89> er. whcih bit about channels? as related to freqs?
<CIDR> yeah
<IJ89> ah, ok
<CIDR> well, all of it :)
<CIDR> my manager stopped by, so i had to go undercover briefly.
<CIDR> heh
<IJ89> cool. glad i could increase the general knowledge quotient of #foo
<CO149> part 90 of the fcc rulez has lots of good geeky charts and tables
<hades> Ouch.
<hades> My UW server has been asked to stop the scannercast.
<hades> SPD contacted the UW and was not happy.
<hades> UW contacted MBT lead, who contacted my friend.
<IJ89> d'oh!
<CIDR> wow
<CO149> ah shit
<DC1020> jesus fuck.
<CIDR> (what's MBT?)
<CIDR> that sucks.
<CO149> so, how were you getting the bits to UW?
<DC1020> i was expecting that to happen yesterday, actually, after i found out the url was public
<IJ89> yeah, i'm kinda shocked it was available for so long
<CO149> if spd thinks that no one else is listening, they're mistaken
<IJ89> they're probably trying to cut down where they can. lame
<CIDR> there didn't really seem to be much going on - kinda weird that they waited so long to get upset.
<IJ89> probably only now had time to worry about it
* CO149 is certain prots have a trunktracker. I could hear their base putting out the info as I typed it
<CIDR> ah
<KP875> tterb
<hades> I was pushing the bits to the UW out my cablemodem at 8k/sec.
<hades> Which he amplified about 256 times.
<IJ89> hey, CO149, do you know how the pro-90 compares to your 91?
<hades> I'm putting up an icecast server for y'all, if you want to keep listening.
<IJ89> what's an icecast server?
* IJ89 still looking for linux *cast servers
<KP875> tterb: weird
<hades> icecast.org; it's linux shoutcast.
<hades> Well. OpenSource shoutcast, anyway.
<IJ89> ooooh
<IJ89> i will investigate
*** spud (mikeh [whirlpool] eidolon.muppetlabs.com) has joined channel #foo
<DC1020> pnds
<poon> this cusk
<poon> heh
* IJ89 tries compiling icecast on aether
<hades> See if http://www.elsewhere.org:8088/ works for you.
<hades> I _think_ I'm streaming to it.
<hades> Uneventful, tho.
<CIDR> yep, i got it there.
<CIDR> thanks!
<hades> Cool.
* IJ89 successfully builds icecast on aether
<CIDR> i'm glad the secret service doesn't want to interview me.
<IJ89> they don
<IJ89> 't?
<IJ89> bastards.
<CIDR> well, not as far as i know.
<DC1020> i'm listening to some anti-cop punk rock. could folks continue updating #foo as necessary?
<IJ89> i think it's pretty slow right now
<CIDR> DC1020: yeah, i'll update - but nothing's really happening.
<CIDR> hades: fyi, the phone hum seems to be back
<CIDR> gone now
<CIDR> rock-throwing on virginia
<hades> Heh.
<hades> Crap.
<hades> I was on the phone in the kitchen.
<hades> Guess I'll have to use the regular phone.
<CIDR> heheh
<CIDR> well, it wasn't as bad that time as it was before, for what it's worth.
<hades> Cool.
<IJ89> you have a 900 MHz phone, hades?
<hades> Yup.
<CO149> gasoline dumping at alaskan/pike ?
<CO149> strong arm robbery, frederick cadillac
<DC1020> phuck
<CO149> crowd advancing 3/virginia south
<poon> wtf?
<poon> "these men are cowards"
<poon> they were nihilists, they kept saying they believed nothing
<CIDR> 2/virginia, gas ready (?)
<CIDR> extra squad deployed to 3/stuart, ASAP
<CIDR> lots of traffic, what's the deal with the unit at 6/union?
<CIDR> someone fell down at (missed location)
* IJ89 make aether MULTIMEDIA_READY
<IJ89> s/make/makes/
<CO149> units come north on 2, 3, 4 aves, prevent the crowd going east
<CO149> flash bangs 3/pine ?
<CIDR> and gas
<hades> Gas deployed at 3/virginia
<CIDR> oh, 3/virginia
<CO149> prots report gas at 3/pine
<CIDR> er.
<CIDR> that's like right outside my office. heh.
<CIDR> "neato"
<CO149> 3/pine reported heavy in gas, prots to stay away
<CO149> prot medics to report to 3/pine
<CO149> 2/stewart blocked
<CO149> crowd moving north
* IJ89 listens for hte sound of angry footsteps from the south
<spud> How many people are listening to your mp3 stream RJL20?
<IJ89> ithink he had to take it down
<IJ89> police complained to UW
<spud> Bummer.
<DC1020> spud
<IJ89> yeah. he said he was setting up an icecast server somewhere. dunno where
<spud> We could use our bandwidth for it...
<spud> Hey Deadman.
<DC1020> i think www.elsewhere.org:8000
<DC1020> er, 8080
<DC1020> i forget, though.
<KP875> 8088
<DC1020> ah.
<DC1020> heh.
<CO149> wind pushing gas north
<hades> 207.159.156.23:8088
<CO149> ppl being "beat up" 2/stewart
* IJ89 thinks he may have icecast + live encoding set up on aether
<spud> Ya, it's a great read, I can see why it won an award.
<spud> NOw you just need a scanner hooked up to that fucker.
<CO149> prots dispatch 911 to 1/pine
<CO149> does it have a sound card?
<CO149> this scanner needs a 1/8 mono plug
<spud> No! We'll be forced to loot a Radio Shack!
<spud> Well, I suppose we could just buy one.
<CO149> damn. i *so* hate being derivative
<DC1020> lol
<DC1020> "african embassy"?
<DC1020> what does that mean?
<KP875> you know, the country of africa
<DC1020> i guess there was confussion as to whether they had diplomatic immunity or not. guess they don't. so they can't break the traffic laws. heh.
<CIDR> and they don't have a placard, either.
<DC1020> all olympic command units masking up. woo.
<CO149> from 1/pine, crowd moving east, west and north
<CO149> will someone please tell the copz that 1st runs N/S by convention?
* IJ89 gets asked, "so, are you an undercover cop, or what?" in the PCC line, due to his squawking radio
* IJ89 sez, "no"
<spud> So did you guys follow the cops when they skipped frequencies last night?
<spud> I heard 'em say stuff like "move to: COMMAND-1" or shit like that.
<IJ89> when did that happen?
<CO149> gas at pike place mkt
<spud> This was around 11:00pm last night.
<IJ89> ah
* IJ89 was safely watching boob toob then
<CO149> these refer to various talk groups
<spud> Ah, I figured with last night probably being the most interesting night to own a scanner in recent memory.
<CO149> gas 1/pine
* IJ89 heard the prot base report prots sitting at 1/pike or so
* IJ89 has no trunktracker
<spud> Ahhh. Didn't realize. CO149 has that 3733t gear.
<IJ89> spud: i would have been glued to the damned scanner, if i had one
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> yeah, and RJL20. just not me
<CO149> 1,2,3,4 aves closed northbound at seneca
* SW548 back and in possesion of a PRO-94
<KP875> woohoo
<IJ89> excellent. did you try it out first?
<SW548> (and *no* fucking idea how to use it)
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> "read the manual"
<CO149> SW548: stand by for programming data
<spud> Press buttons randomly. Try to look intelligent.
<spud> (works for me)
<IJ89> heh
<spud> So CO149, have you heard any feds talking on yer scanner? Or just SPD?
<IJ89> those vat-grown ones just don't cut it
<CO149> spud: feds not on the trunking system
<IJ89> SW548: fucking useless, they are. glad you found one, though
<CO149> although i guess they use 410-420 MHz
<SW548> better than the second dude, who clearly didn't know *anything*, started pretending he did just to close the sale.
<SW548> CO149: thanks for the data - that ought to keep me busy for a while!
<CIDR> wow
<CIDR> that was fucked
<CIDR> just watched a huge skirmish right in front of the office out the window
<spud> Who was fighting?
<CIDR> cops and miscellaneous
<CIDR> "cops won"
<CIDR> heh
<spud> Ya, they're better equiped.
<CIDR> it was pretty chaotic - there was a lot of street traffic, which was pretty crazy
<DC1020> yeah, the gassing and police movement outside appears to be wholly random
* IJ89 thinking he should look into 245's, since he wants to try his hand at programming a computer interface
<DC1020> how do they differentiate between "protesters" and "folks who work/live/beg downtown"?
<IJ89> DC1020: they differentiate?
<SW548> DC1020: the non-protestors are being referred to by the local media as the "normal people" (I'm not making this up)
<DC1020> good god.
<CIDR> folks headed into the 99 tunnel?
<SW548> this manual says that you were breaking the law, CO149, when you "intentionally" (heh) listened to pager transmissions...
<CIDR> "anarchists running northbound, 6/pine"
<SW548> this section ends with: "We encourage responsible, legal scanner use."
<IJ89> sure they do
<SW548> TV just picked up dude smoking some skunk weed in the crowd
<CO149> "we encourage any scanner use that makes us $200
* DC1020 notes that he is currently sitting at his desk
<DC1020> was it tterb?
<CO149> heheh
<SW548> IJ89: they specifically mention that it is manufactured to specifically avoid picking up illegal freqs and that you should *not* open it up and try and modify it
<IJ89> SW548: i doubt it would benefit you at all to do it -- all the blocking stuff is in software, you'd have to burn a new EPROM to get it to modify its behavior
<SW548> Oh, I wasn't thinking of trying to do it - I just found it somewhat odd that they went out of the way to tell you explicitly what *not* to do...
<DC1020> "do not remove the pin from the firing mechanism of your machine gun, as that would make it fully automatic and illegal."
<CIDR> sounds like there's random lunacy at the market
<SW548> *exactly*
<DC1020> spud
<DC1020> you out there?
<CO149> eastbound 2/wall
<spud> Yes indeedy.
<CIDR> suspicious black moving van behind hotel monocle
<CIDR> monacle?
<CO149> monaco
<CIDR> oh
<CIDR> heh
<DC1020> several cabbies walked offa the job this week 'cause they were told to wear uniforms.
<spud> There were cabs running all thru belltown last night, even with the curfew in effect.
<spud> I took a cab into work this morning, no problems.
<poon> cab
<CIDR> officemate reports that he was challenged by two cops on the way to the bus stop to go home.
<poon> 'challenged'?
<CIDR> "come on, motherfucker, RIGHT NOW!" apparently.
<spud> Last night?
<CIDR> nope, like ten minutes ago.
<CIDR> he came back to the office, since they didn't seem to want to let him past.
<IJ89> weird
<DC1020> someone taking the fifth amendment? huh?
<IJ89> cops getting uppity
<DC1020> persuing a stolen vehicle.
* CO149 returns from eyeballing 2/wall action
<CIDR> west on broad
<DC1020> trying to pinch 'em off.
<CO149> injured prots to 2/pike for medic
<CIDR> yeah
<CIDR> we saw one guy who just got *nailed*
<CO149> sec of commerce held up at hubbell
<CO149> please prevent prots from entering lower QA
<CIDR> "keep 'em away from ivar's at any cost!"
<CIDR> let's knock 'em west
<DC1020> god. damn.
<CIDR> (the thing about ivar's didn't really happen)
<CIDR> heh
<DC1020> heheh
<DC1020> "save the mcnuggest!"
<CO149> riot plt west bound 3/pike
<CIDR> that's the one.
<CIDR> oh
<CIDR> heh
<DC1020> FUCK
<DC1020> bleeding, unconscious, boren/pike
<CIDR> different one. christ.
<CIDR> 2/pike
<CIDR> right
<CIDR> that's the guy we saw.
<DC1020> ah.
<DC1020> right.
<DC1020> they just got to him?
<DC1020> jesus.
<TT205> there are 50 cops in riot gear standing in rows outside my building.
<DC1020> whistle at 'em.
<TT205> heh
<DC1020> ask 'em where they shop.
<TT205> "hey, sailor!"
<CO149> TT205: where are you?
<CO149> 150 coming up the hill climb
<CO149> into a trap
*** TEE2 is now known as poolgirl
<poolgirl> hi all!
<CIDR> TT205: they were just beating people outside ours.
<CO149> poolgirl!
<IJ89> hey poolgirl
<poolgirl> *wave*
* IJ89 wonders if it's time to go home
<CIDR> 'cept there were 75, and some of 'em were on horses.
<CIDR> and now there's teargas in our ventilation system.
<DC1020> tear gas apparently seeping into our ventilation system.
<DC1020> heh.
<CO149> dispersal order 1/pike
<TT205> fuckfuckfuck
<TT205> CIDR: i've received reports that shit has gotten out of control down here
<CIDR> er, yeah
<CIDR> to say the least
<TT205> yeah, the cops were standing in rows in the street outside our building
<CIDR> yeah. we've got teargas seeping into our building at the moment.
<CIDR> "so there!"
<CIDR> heheh
<SW548> Mayor Schell just extended the curfew another night
<CIDR> goodie.
* KP875 walked *through* tear gas last night
<KP875> so *there*
* CIDR walked through *more*
<CIDR> so *THERE*!
<CIDR> heheh
<KP875> heheh
<KP875> "did not!"
<CIDR> heh
* TT205 huffing tear gas cuz she *likes* it!
* KP875 cracks open a tear gas grenade and drinks it
* IJ89 walks slowly away from You People
<CIDR> ok, it sounds like they're basically just chasing people around at random.
<DC1020> "good plan"
<DC1020> this is *not* "confuse-a-cat"
<DC1020> dammit.
<DC1020> hm. travis on the phone with another crazed CS rep
<spud> You got quite a snootfull of that shit last night didn't ya Kirk?
<KP875> heh, well, it was pretty intense for about 30 seconds before we got off broadway
<CO149> gas to 2/pike
<SW548> gunshots at the market
<CIDR> *snrk*
<CIDR> fuuuuck
<SW548> not gunshots, apparently, just concussion grenades
<CIDR> oh.
<CIDR> yeah.
<CIDR> those have been going off for a while.
<CO149> tunnel closes 7pm
<SW548> local media has a cell-feed to a reporter in their midsts
<KP875> i wonder if i can catch a 70-something up to the u district before then
<CO149> highly likely
<KP875> cool. i'll see if that radio shack has that scanner. what was the model again?
<SW548> PRO-94
<SW548> "ask for it by name"
<SW548> point out that it was in a recent flyer
<SW548> make them check their computer
<IJ89> heh
<SW548> shake them vigorously
<SW548> add salt
<IJ89> i'd call first -- hades said he couldn't find one until 185th/aurora
<KP875> and tell them my number is 555-1212?
<SW548> *exactly*
<KP875> well, i kinda feel like going up there anyways
<IJ89> just sayin'
* IJ89 decides that icecast and liveice have confused him enough for today, and it's time to head out
<CIDR> KP875
<KP875> CIDR
<CIDR> you wanna grab me one if they've got 'em?
<CIDR> heh
<DC1020> i already own a scanner, otherwise i'd get one, too. heh.
<CIDR> there's a growing cloud of teargas directly in front of my office, so i don't really wanna hit the streets just yet, myself.
<DC1020> though this one *is* portable.
<KP875> sure, if they have two (i suspect they won't have any)
<CIDR> yeah, me too
<CIDR> i just saw the cops shove some guy off a payphone he was using
<CIDR> he was dressed in a suit with a briefcase, so i doubt very much that he was a demonstrator.
<DC1020> jesus fuck.
<DC1020> the mayor is gonna have *so much* explaining to do.
<CIDR> i think right now is probably just a VERY_BAD_TIME to be outdoors in the pike/pine corridor.
<CO149> CIDR: can you see how things look to the south?
<CIDR> CO149: "messy"
<CO149> ACK
<CO149> prot medic at the Pig
<DC1020> 3rd/cherry two accident victims (?)
<CO149> 1/pike, unused flash bang recovered
<KP875> 3/cherry? i could walk up there on my way out
<KP875> s/i could/i normally
<DC1020> 200-250 gathering 3rd/virginia
<CO149> arrest buses 1/eagle
* IJ89 dispatches the DONUT_SWAT_TEAM
<IJ89> ok, i'm outta here. see you all later
<SW548> have 'em swing by my place
* KP875 out too
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> can do, SW548
* IJ89 OUT for home
* tterb monitoring from home
<CIDR> 2nd ave looks pretty clear now
<CIDR> lots of regular foot traffic
<CO149> curfew tonite
<DC1020> amazon has priority with red top and orange cab. woo
<CO149> watch out around the corner on pike.
<CO149> APC at 2 or 3 on pike
<DC1020> traffic on 1st blocked somewhere near pike
<DC1020> 4th/virginia
<DC1020> group preparing to clash with cops
<DC1020> cops moving into position behind them at 6th/virginia
<DC1020> jesus. i think the cops are enjoying this.
<CO149> *I* sure am!
<TT205> eep
<DC1020> getting really heated on virginia
<CO149> armed robberiy 3/university
<CIDR> yep
<DC1020> if yer gonna be doing armed robbery, do it outside of downtown.
<SW548> I'm getting something on 453.400 - any idea what that is (talk of 'tactical' and 'detectives', etc.)
<CO149> i think that's fire dispatch
<SW548> hmmmm.
<CO149> that may have changed, though
<SW548> actually, I think it might be Oak Harbour police
<SW548> it sounds like a drug bust
<CO149> it's a freq from the pre-trunking era that they still use for simulcast
<DC1020> ah, damn. there goes yer skunk weed supply, SW548.
<SW548> "I'll give you a visual ID on my unmarked detective..."
<CO149> they're gonna start screaming around the city with lights and sirens
<DC1020> too keep groups from forming.
<CO149> ya
<DC1020> "let's do it and do it fast"
<SW548> "we have a caller on 911 looking for a Matt Caufield - you know where he is?" - "yeah, I got him in custody" - "the father wants to know if you want him to come and pick him up" - "only if he want s
<SW548> watch him get rung up on a couple of charges"
<CIDR> er.
<CIDR> heh.
<CO149> HEH
<CO149> indeed
<CIDR> deployed at 3/stuart
<CO149> voice T1 down here
<CIDR> whoa
<CIDR> 1/pike report of live ammo
<CIDR> ?
<DC1020> they seem to be quite anxious to have the wsp's stiring up chaos.
<DC1020> CO149: right on!
<CIDR> huh
<DC1020> the wsp's appear to be confussed.
<DC1020> er, confused.
<SW548> I seem to be getting Metro dispatch on 453.375 - would that be right?
<CO149> yes
<CO149> i have a metro band plan if you want it
<SW548> pretty good to get that out hear, I'd think
<CO149> totally
<CO149> you plug in the trunk freqs yet?
<SW548> "don't apologize, you think you're confused? I'm probably more confused than anybody!"
<CIDR> HEH
<CIDR> you hear that on metro?
<SW548> CO149: haven't got that far yet - I'm just playing w/limit scans
<CO149> press with cred may have gas masks
<CO149> (for the rest of us, there's $500 fine)
<SW548> CIDR: yes
<CIDR> to wear a gas mask?
<CO149> metro is cool to listen to
<CO149> all help desk managers should listen to that
<SW548> it's sparse, but it's interesting when I get something
<CO149> metro bandplan sent to aquinas
<CIDR> large crowd not moving at 3/virginia
<SW548> still figuring out how to use the squelch properly when scanning
<SW548> CO149: data recieved - thanks much!
<SW548> RS gave me a hardcopy list of local freqs - but I can't seem to get anyting on them - 453.575 is supposed to be PT police
<CO149> mass arrests 2/pine
<poon> SW548: you pick up a scanner? of what type?
<SW548> poon: got the now legendary PRO-94 from the 'Shack
<SW548> hey don, your doppelganger (w/blonde hair) is being hassled by the man on channel 5 right now
<DC1020> er
<DC1020> i currently have blonde hair!
<SW548> no way!
* DC1020 checks self
<DC1020> (yeah, bleached it for the holidays - gives the neices and nephews a thrill)
<SW548> the guy on TV had no terminal at his disposal
<DC1020> heh
<TT205> heheh
<SW548> think you are still you
<DC1020> heh. after the theraflu, no.
<CIDR> DC1020 had all his atoms split in 1/2 by extended theraflu exposure.
<SW548> shit, theraflu would turn your hair white
<DC1020> yup. just like that old star trek episode. now i'm the bitter, evil DC1020.
<DC1020> the happy, good DC1020 is no-doubt getting hassled.
<SW548> HEH
<CIDR> arresting everyone in the bon garage for tresspassing and reckless endangerment.
* CIDR is glad he didn't drive today - that's where i park if i do.
<SW548> the people claiming to be steelworkers seem to be more like musicians and the like, dancing around...
<DC1020> yeah, they've been trying to change their image. inspired by the simpsons episode.
<CIDR> HEH
<CIDR> "hot stuff, coming through!"
<SW548> this on channel 5, right now - idiots are editorializing about shit they know nothing about
<CIDR> isn't that kinda what this whole thing has been about, mostly? (on both sides, probably)
<DC1020> heheheh
<SW548> we're getting CS pepper gas coming our way right now - we may be in danger... - SHUT UP!
<DC1020> *yes*
<DC1020> "in danger"
<DC1020> feh
<SW548> "CS pepper gas"
<DC1020> it's not mustard gas, ferchrissake
<spud> Wow, getting a cab might be tough.
<CIDR> heh
<SW548> pepper spray, CS Gas (tear gas)
<CIDR> well, amzn has priority
<CIDR> heh
<CIDR> yeah
<CIDR> or OC spray, if you want initials
<spud> 20 - 25 min they say.
<spud> Not too bad.
<TT205> so. can cars get through on first?
<TT205> i mean, if wade and i had someone come pick us up?
<CIDR> they're starting a "big ball of energy"
<CIDR> TT205: probably. they're getting through on 2nd, i think.
<CIDR> i can go take a look.
<CIDR> (out the window)
<CIDR> heh
<spud> Any word on the protester activity in belltown's crack park?
<TT205> hmmm.
<spud> Or was MA203 smoking a bit of the rock himself?
<CIDR> i think he was just hoping to get some skunk weed.
<CIDR> how are they determining when to use lights-only and when to use sirens and lights?
<spud> "heads"
<CIDR> heh
<DC1020> looking for witness/victims of rock/bottle throwing from teh garage.
<DC1020> and a city council person wasn't let past a line 'cause their car didn't have proper wto placards. they're apparently unhappy.
<CIDR> my heart bleeds for that city council person.
<CIDR> really.
* spud attempts to flee AMZN.
*** Signoff: spud (Leaving)
<SW548> "I'm gonna put you right on the front-line right now - *I* was on the wrong end of a police action - let's watch the tape" - Jim "I couldn't possibly be more of a fuck unless my name was Milnes" Forman
<DC1020> HEH
<DC1020> that is so funny for so many reasons
<DC1020> heh
<SW548> the best part (well not the *best*) was that they rolled video that they had already been airing for the last half-hour - he was presenting it as if it had *just* happened to him (and he presumed noone else had seen it)
<DC1020> jim forman is a goat-blowing moron.
<CIDR> did they just say "a possible 187 on the po-po"?
<DC1020> "goat blowing moron - DON'T MAKE ME YAWN!"
<SW548> He's sooooo on my "top 10 when the revolution comes" list
<CIDR> HEH
* CIDR *likes* milnes, but thinks that's pretty funny anyway
<DC1020> CIDR: let me know when yer ready to head out and i'll join ya.
<SW548> heh - I like Milnes too - but he's sort of the universal place-holder for anyone whos ever worked at AMZN for the prototypical asshole
<DC1020> heheheh
<DC1020> so true.
<CIDR> DC1020: ACK - probably be a few minutes.
<DC1020> roger that.
<CIDR> SW548: heh - yeah, i know what you mean.
<SW548> news reporting that the secret service was so appalled at what happened yesterday that they were threatening to keep the president from flying in unless there was a crackdown today
<DC1020> heh.
<DC1020> and we were wanting to host the olympics?
<DC1020> wtf is 187 in the po-po?
<CIDR> it's gangsta for killing an undercover cop.
<DC1020> why's that 'officer safety info'?
<CIDR> probably because someone is running around saying they're gonna kill a cop.
<CIDR> but it's probably just a freak spouting bullshit.
<DC1020> what's a "po-po"?
<CIDR> a cop.
<CIDR> heh
<CIDR> "shit, man - it's the po-po"
<DC1020> heheheh
<CIDR> or whatever.
<CIDR> werd.
<CIDR> heh
<DC1020> ya, werd
<DC1020> oh no! they're sitting and locking arms! the cops are stunned into stopping.....
<CIDR> 187 is the cop code for officer down, or something like that.
<DC1020> right.
<DC1020> but this "po-po" is baffling
<DC1020> maybe that's their pet name for each other?
<DC1020> heh.
<CIDR> heheh
<CIDR> could be.
<CIDR> required to crosscheck press id
<DC1020> several press credentials reported missing. heh.
<DC1020> "that's the way you do it"
<CIDR> they're doing a sweep of dntn
<SW548> slade gorton "shaming" the city of seattle for being too permissive
<CIDR> er.
<CIDR> "thanks, you crusty old fuck!"
<CIDR> DC1020: so you wanna leave now, or wait until after the curfew hits? i'm not sure which is a better idea.
<DC1020> i *so* *fucking* *loathe* slade gorton
<DC1020> CIDR: i'm into leaving now.
<CIDR> ok.
<CO149> "me too"
<CIDR> argh.
<CIDR> freakin; phone.
<SW548> oooh - they're showing DC1020's familiar again
<CIDR> DC1020: ok, let's hit it (and see if we can find your other half)
<DC1020> heheheh
<DC1020> right on.
* DC1020 MOTORING OUT
*** Signoff: poon (a hooome i goooo)
<SW548> man, strongsignals.net is a great resource
* CO149 OUT
* tterb ph33rs #wto on efnet
*** CIDR is now known as cider
* cider MONITORING
* SW548 around
*** SW548 is now known as aquinas
<cider> SW548
<cider> aquinas
<aquinas> cider mon
*** TT205 is now known as delores
* delores makes it home
<cider> delores
<aquinas> delores
<cider> yeah, downtown was pretty empty, 'cept for a cluster of folks around mcd's
<cider> and there was a busfull of riot cops dismbarking in front of amazon as we were headed out, so i think they got dispersed.
<cider> though there's a little cluster of folks waving signs and making noise on broadway... right in front of deadman's apt.
<delores> jeez
*** DC1020 is now known as deadman
<delores> deadman
* deadman going to his front step to watch the madness
<cider> deadman: what's going on?
<deadman> they were burning shit in denny/broadway intersection by the time i made it home.
<cider> whoa.
<cider> heh
<deadman> now many prots marching up denny
<cider> oh boy.
<deadman> ch5 sez they aren't gonna cover it any more 'til later tonight.
<deadman> heh.
*** CO149 is now known as spiff
<cider> ooh
<deadman> "gotta show the hollywood squares"
<cider> yeah
<deadman> brb
<cider> i'll meet ya out there, see what's stirring.
<deadman> ACK
<deadman> gonna be on my front steps
* spiff heard they were bodyblocking vivace
<delores> noooooo!
* delores things it's about time to break out some hard liquor
* spiff may have to hit the 7-11
<tterb> vivace is closed
<spiff> doh!
*** Signoff: wade (Leaving)
*** wade (wade [whirlpool] onetouch.net) has joined channel #foo
<wade> evening drones.
<spiff> wade
<wade> spiff!
<wade> i didn't get arrested while attempting to get home tonight.
<wade> i have never seen so many cops. i have never heard so many explosions in an urban environment.
* delores MOTNIROGIN
<wade> delores!
<delores> wade!
<wade> have you ever seen that many cops carry clubs?
<delores> heh
<delores> perhaps in a movie
<wade> those were pictures of clubs, though.
<delores> heh
<delores> true
*** KP875 is now known as kirk
<delores> kirk
<kirk> delores
<delores> how the hell are you?
<kirk> good
* cider MONITORING
<wade> kirk
<delores> cider
<kirk> just got back from chewing out a "protester" with cider and deadman
<kirk> heh
<kirk> wade
<delores> oh dear
<cider> heheh
<wade> good for you, kirk.
<tterb> ?
<cider> yep, drones brace anti-homo slogan-yelling protester, film @ 11:00
<wade> outstanding work!
<delores> woohoo!
<cider> well, he was drunk. and pretty much brainless.
<kirk> some guy walked through the group yelling "go home, fucking protesters" so this guy walked up to him and started yelling
<cider> kirk moved to intercept, and deadman and i backed him up.
<tterb> hmm, nothing wrong with protesters necessarily
<wade> no, not at all.
<wade> just idiots.
<kirk> well, tonight wasn't bad, they weren't breaking anything, just blocking traffic
<tterb> "they"
<tterb> heh
* wade out for dinner
<cider> heh, the guy was pretty funny, though - after we kinda took turns yelling at him, he offered us a "free shot" at him
<kirk> heheh
<cider> repeatedly.
<cider> for about ten minutes.
<cider> (well, maybe five)
<kirk> even after we started walking away
<cider> police squads called to broadway and pine to "cover our backs as we move north"
<spiff> "That? It's a flesh wound"
<spiff> sounds like a fine time to live on the hill
<kirk> think i just heard a bang
<cider> kirk: me too
<cider> and the copter is back.
<kirk> so, cider and I will both be owners of PRO-94 (or was it 95?) scanners tomorrow. someone is driving from the u dist radio shack to pick them up tonight so i'll pick them up tomorrow
<cider> where are they driving them to?
<kirk> from some store way north to the u district store
<cider> ah, cool
<tterb> woah heh
<tterb> kewl
<tterb> how much are they?
<kirk> $199
<tterb> the non-protesters are just getting in the way
<tterb> everyone equates them with the demonstrators and writes them off
<spiff> heh. of whom?
<cider> 12 ninjas gonna ambush officers at bway/olive
<tterb> hmm?
<kirk> heheh
<kirk> wow, they actually said "ninjas"
<tterb> getting in the way of real protesters
<cider> yep
* deadman monitoring
<tterb> they did?
<tterb> heh
<kirk> deadman
<cider> deadman
<cider> see any ninjas?
<deadman> another bang
<kirk> yeah
<deadman> over from pine and bway
<deadman> heheh
<deadman> no ninja
<cider> another bang.
<cider> heh
<deadman> yeah
<deadman> just outside my apt.
<kirk> how can they be ninjas? if she saw them, she'd already be dead
<deadman> grrr.
<deadman> heh
<delores> heheheh
<cider> kirk: maybe the dispatcher's a ninja, too
<kirk> ah, that explains it
* spiff believes that
<cider> i think the instant-death effect can be countered by other ninja
<cider> whoa
<cider> louder bang.
<cider> heh.
<tterb> boom
<kirk> jeez, lots of bangs
<cider> *really* loud bang
<cider> heh
* kirk checks outside his door
<delores> cider -- you at home?
<cider> yep
<spiff> hey, send some action up here.
<delores> jesus.
<spiff> when to they get loogie guns
* aquinas back from dinner
<delores> aquinas
<aquinas> time to ponder this strange and wonderful device
<aquinas> delores
<aquinas> 'morning
* spiff eating his fav dinner. little chunky sirloin soup burgerlets on ritz crackers
* cider brb
<spiff> aquinas, what was that scanner resource site IJ89 gave you>
<spiff> ?
<aquinas> www.strongsignals.net
<spiff> cool, thanks
<aquinas> it was/is quite useful for a rookie, at least
* spiff drops some things into www.muppetlabs.com/~chris/scanner
<aquinas> thanks, man
* aquinas accessing
<spiff> does the pro-94 receive anything below 29 MHz?
<aquinas> it might go down to 24Mhz - lemme check
<aquinas> no, it bottom's out at 29 Mhz
<spiff> 'swhat i suspected.
*** Signoff: poolgirl (Leaving)
<spiff> ?
*** poolgirl (tee [whirlpool] eidolon.muppetlabs.com) has joined channel #foo
<poolgirl> hi all!
<poolgirl> apparently not
<spiff> Hi poolgirl!
<poolgirl> hi!
* spiff passes poolgirl a tiger-striped kevlar vest
<poolgirl> thanks!
* spiff got stuck with the mauve one...
<poolgirl> well ... "it happens"
<spiff> i just have to show up sooner so i can have the electric blue one
<poolgirl> definitely
<aquinas> man, this thing has to be the most non-intuitive piece of technology I've ever tried to use
<spiff> yeah...it's kinda weird
<spiff> gas and rubber bullets at broadway/republican
<spiff> man with bottle fluid in it, broadway/john
<aquinas> better than a bottle with man fluid in it, I tell ya
<spiff> indeed
<cider> jesus chirst!
<cider> this is *insane*!
* cider MONITORING with reaper in tow
<spiff> yo
<cider> the cops and apparently soon to be natl guard are basically chasing the residents of cap hill around.
<aquinas> cider, reaper
<spiff> wtf were you doing outside?
<cider> "standing outside my apartment"
<cider> "getting flashbangs thrown at me"
<spiff> apparently
<cider> and trying to ask cops if there is a curfew on cap hill.
<cider> they didn't feel like chatting, though.
<spiff> if men in masks with molotovs don't tell you, then the fact vivace is closed should be good enough
<cider> i didn't see any men with molotovs.
<cider> i saw a bunch of people coming out of their apartments.
<cider> and a bunch of cops chasing them.
<spiff> "bottles with fluid" have copz FREAKED
<cider> and some poor woman who needed a jumpstart but couldn't get anyone to stop.
<cider> so i went and got my car and gave her a start.
<spiff> you jump her?
<cider> er.
<cider> "so to speak"
<kirk> heheh
<spiff> excellent
<cider> kirk
<kirk> cider
<cider> howdy.
<kirk> jeez
<spiff> um
* spiff hears bangs
<kirk> "undesirables"
<spiff> obviously went to WSU
* kirk wonders if that is actual undesirables or just people standing outside their apartment
<cider> wow
<cider> they're being chased straight down my street.
<deadman> fucking hell
<deadman> and here i've been a good little american and have been watching tv.
<kirk> heh
<kirk> jeez, i come back in and hear an explosion
* spiff adds a goodly number of scanner channel frequencies muppetlabs.com/~chris/scanner
<spiff> .msg reaper includes the alinco's channels
* spiff gonna go sit with the HTS
<spiff> keep yer heads down
<kirk> heh, roger
<deadman> so i'm wondering if i should poke my head outside or not.
<deadman> sounds like a 'no'.
<deadman> jesus.
<tterb> i was thinking about it
<tterb> sounds like a fucking warzone out there
<kirk> yeah, crazy
* kirk gets off phone with parents
<cider> did they call you?
<kirk> i figured they would call, so i called. they weren't watching the tv, or watching a movie, i guess
<cider> ah, heheh
<deadman> *fuck*
<deadman> *badness* outside my apt.
<deadman> they're breakign shit.
<deadman> dunno what.
<deadman> shouting. bangs. explosions
<deadman> another one.
<kirk> kinkos?
<deadman> si
<aquinas> are you over kinko's deadman?
<deadman> si
<aquinas> doh!
<kirk> kinkos is the man!
<deadman> and freaking "demonstrators" running and shouting "no more police state"
<deadman> fucking chicken and egg problem, that.
<kirk> heh
<deadman> this is driving me nuts.
<deadman> i wants the fucking cops out of hear. and the fucking demonstrators
<kirk> yeah, it sucks to see 100 residents yell "where should we go, we live here?" and then a guy toss a firecracker at the cops
<kirk> jeez, CPR
<tterb> I take it vivace is still closed?
<kirk> heh, i'd bet on it
<cider> yeah, deadman and i saw casey making a run for it.
<cider> heh
<kirk> heheh
<tterb> heh
<tterb> shee-it
<deadman> FUCK
<deadman> teargas outside my balcony
<cider> officer gonzales is unaccounted for.
<deadman> booting to windows so i can use the sound card. brb
<aquinas> is the feed back up somewhere?
<kirk> http://www.elsewhere.org:8088/
<aquinas> I get 'error connecting to host' when I try that (like I have since it was shut down)
* deadman back
<kirk> aquinas: hit that url with a browser and see what the "Click _here_ to listen!" url gives you
<aquinas> hmmmm. OK
<tterb> i suppose there are multiple freqs
<deadman> *very* little radio traffic on this freq
<aquinas> that worked - why for it wouldn't work straight up as a url in winamp?
<kirk> dunno
<tterb> is this server no longer being published on shoutcast.com?
<kirk> the police told them to turn it off
<tterb> oh really heh
<tterb> does he have bandwidth?
<kirk> well, i think it is behind a cable modem
<tterb> ahh
<kirk> the ip address is owned by: Meridian Partners (NETBLK-WORLDSNET2) WORLDSNET207.159.128.0 - 207.159.159.255
<kirk> ah, the traceroute goes through headbone-gw.lightrealm.net
<tterb> meridian partners?
<tterb> oh heh
<kirk> hmm, is someone giving that address away? :)
<kirk> 9/50 listeners
<cider> anyone know what's going on on cap hill these days?
<cider> heh
<tterb> heh
<tterb> I, uh, told someone else about it.
<kirk> 911 for the CD (central district, i assume)
<kirk> that is a very vague order
* wade MONITORING
<wade> if anyone feels like vacating the hill, you're welcome at my place in ballard.
<wade> this is fucked!
<cider> i think most of the hill ruckus is dealt with
<cider> possibly not
<wade> good to hear.
<wade> lemme know.
<deadman> looks like traffic on bway again.
<deadman> lack of local media coverage of the bway stuff was telling
<deadman> imho
<deadman> hostile crowds still reported at bway/pine
<tterb> I saw good coverage of the broadway shit
<tterb> but there may have been an overall lack of it
<wade> sorry. just heard that bit about 15th and madison. in the direction of delores' place.
<deadman> yeah, motorcycle accident.
<wade> okie
* deadman suddenly realizes that q-patrol was not to be seen this evening
<wade> heh
<wade> "what a shocker"
<cider> yeah, i think that was "us" tonight, deadman.
<cider> heh.
<kirk> i'm sure they would have liked our little friend
<kirk> heh
<deadman> no kidding
<deadman> well, q-patrol was put together partly 'cause cops wouldn't respond to queer bashings, and 'cause homos were afraid of cops
<deadman> just got me thinking 'cause of the "hostile towards police" crowd at pine/bway
<tterb> yeah..
<wade> deadman: how are things at your location right now?
<kirk> wow, they are telling the police to stay away from pine/bway, esp. in patrol cars
<tterb> I wonder what "violent" and "hostile towards police" rreally means
<kirk> must be a lot of people, or they are trying to calm things down
<deadman> wade: quiet, it seems. gonna go out to the porch and check....
<wade> cool. really good to hear.
<wade> i just lost hades' scanner feed.
<cider> yeah, me too
<deadman> ditto
<kirk> i didn't
<cider> i'm kinda thinking that seattle is gonna have a kinda gnarly PR problem on its hands for a few weeks.
<deadman> well, obviously hades likes you best of all
<kirk> obviously
<kirk> heh
<cider> hmm, still can't hear anything.
<wade> nor i.
<deadman> looks like normal foot traffic. and street traffic.
<cider> i'm surprised that there hasn't been any electronic "demonstration"
<deadman> attempts to re-open url failing
<cider> taking out websites, and such
<wade> i read something about an 'electronic sit-in' on the wto servers.
<cider> huh
<kirk> yeah, slashdot had a link a day or two ago
<wade> right.
<deadman> another standoff, moving up...pine
<deadman> towards the precint.
<cider> heh
<cider> neato
<deadman> jim forman saying the cops trying to keep things under control
<deadman> fucker
<deadman> such bullshit
<cider> what the fuck is out of control??
<deadman> no kidding
<deadman> and what i've seen does not lead me to believe that the cops were trying to "keep control"
<cider> well.
<deadman> and jim forman reporting that "broadway was cleared" like that's a *good* thing.
<cider> i guess to be fair - they're trying to control things - but not things that need controlling by cops
<deadman> heh.
<deadman> indeed.
* deadman holds his knee down.
<cider> heh
<cider> as far as i could tell, they were trying to control people who were walking home.
<deadman> exactly.
<cider> which doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.
<wade> 'class action law suit'?
<cider> where?
<cider> or are you suggesting one?
<cider> heh
<wade> i dunno. that phrase just popped into my head.
<cider> ah, yeah
<cider> heh
<wade> tear gassing and clubbing rush hour commuters down town sounds like grounds for one.
<kirk> naw, more like nasty editorial letters
<cider> maybe we could have a protest.
<cider> (d'oh!)
<wade> heh
<kirk> heheh
<kirk> okay, i finally lost hades' server
<deadman> oh no! seattle's "clean and green" reputation tarnished!
<cider> i can connect, but i'm not getting any data
<cider> deadman: this on TV?
<deadman> yeah
<tterb> damn it, I was going to buy beanie babies today too
<deadman> nw cable news
<tterb> damn those protesters!
<deadman> fucking slade gorton
<wade> what has skelator got to say?
<deadman> that seattle is a pansy city, basically.
<deadman> too accepting
<deadman> ("too accepting" - his words)
<kirk> cider: i'm eating up about 56kbps on 'Pop 80s', tell me if you need it back
<kirk> heh
<cider> kirk: nah :)
<cider> heheh
<wade> gee. i guess we need to just invoke a 'zero-tolerance policy' regarding accepting things.
<wade> that should clear things rightup.
<cider> apbonline has got some stuff on their scanner feed, but not much
<cider> (it's realaudio)
<deadman> metro schedule back to normal tomorrow, except for pike/pine routes
<deadman> freaking helicopter overhead again.
<cider> yep
<cider> "still"
<deadman> looks like it's circling the folks on pine. over by the qfc/oddfellows hall
<cider> how many people are over there, would you say?
<deadman> completely unknown
<deadman> yea! nordstroms will be open normal hours tomorrow!
<cider> ya-hoo
<cider> cops are wondering why there are firetrucks at 8/virginia
<deadman> seattle placed 8th as best mannered city in the us
<deadman> portland was 9th
<cider> "not any more"
<cider> heh
<cider> oh, nice
<kirk> uh, i thought there was a curfew on the whole pike/pine corridor until midnight friday
<deadman> someplace in south carolina got first.
<cider> kirk: really?
<kirk> i thought so, i'll have to go back to the page...
<kirk> http://www.cityofseattle.net/news/detail.asp?ID=613
<cider> kirk: thanks
<kirk> delegates and people essential to business can enter, nobody else. dunno who is going to shop...
<kirk> what was that?
<cider> whoa
<cider> what the fuck?
<deadman> unknown checking
<cider> that was a whole bunch of shit exploding
<kirk> yeah
<deadman> came from the direction of the demonstration. traffic on bway looks normal. that's all i can make out. the helicopter is still circling, but the light's off.
<deadman> on - on tv.
<deadman> teargas.
<cider> i can still hear stuff blowing up.
<deadman> yeah.
<deadman> right by the qfc
<deadman> it's on tv.
<tterb> damnit!!!!
<tterb> star trek isn't on!!!
<cider> fuck fucking digital cable!
<cider> heh
<deadman> "what is happening to our city?" sez talking media head.
<cider> i want local channels
<kirk> i really don't see how surrounding people and deploying gas is the best way to calm the situation
<tterb> heh
<cider> i think it's about a show of force and "not backing down"
<tterb> it contains a sedating agent
<wade> ?
<deadman> d00d giving commentary is right on.
<deadman> heh.
<cider> oh yeah?
<deadman> i think he's gay.
<cider> heheh
<kirk> heheh
<deadman> had a bit of the accent.
<tterb> heh
<deadman> talking about how peaceful this neighborhood is, normally.
<tterb> "the accent"
<tterb> what channel?
<deadman> 2
<cider> so, if the news is telling people to go shopping tomorrow, and the cops tell all the people to go away, that could be interesting.
<deadman> nw cable news.
<spiff> nw cable news blowz goatz
<deadman> yeah, the nordstroms thing was reported on ch7
<deadman> yeah it does.
<deadman> ch5 all over again
<cider> i mean, they think protesters are bad?? wait until some QA househusband can't get near pacific place with his chargecard!
<spiff> looting broadway/e pike
<tterb> 2?
<deadman> but this troy thomas guy has a decent perspective
<tterb> heh
<tterb> "that doesn't come in real well"
<spiff> cable 2
<tterb> hehe
* tterb was jk
<spiff> sounnds like a nice little siege at east precinct
* cider gonna see if CNBC is rebroadcasting anything like they were last night
<cider> spiff: oh yeah?
<spiff> yeah, 12/pine
<deadman> troy is saying that it's very easy to mistake residents of the neighborhood with demonstrators
* cider really wishes he was getting some kind of fucking useful media right now
<cider> scanner or tv, whatever
<cider> hell, FM or AM would suffice
<cider> heh
<deadman> protestors are shouting "go home" to the natl guard.
<deadman> and cops
<cider> oh boy
* spiff -- bed. scanner -- recharge.
<deadman> 'night, spiff.
<cider> 'night, spiff
*** poon (poon [whirlpool] eidolon.muppetlabs.com) has joined channel #foo
<deadman> poon
<cider> poon
<cider> 'sup?
<deadman> out with spiff...in with poon
<poon> not much
<poon> got tear gas'ed earlier
<poon> stupidly, went to eat on broadway
<poon> is the police scanner up again?
<poon> heard any more bombs/crowds/gas recently?
* poon can only hear/see the chopper from this vantage
<poon> this is all stupid
<deadman> all over.
<poon> sheesh
<cider> poon: yeah, shit's all over
<deadman> the cloud of tear gas by the qfc is *quite* thick.
<cider> what are the non-cops (are they protestors? rioters? demonstrators? whatever) doing?
<cider> are they holding their ground?
<poon> deadman: that's where i was; the little indian joint across the street. things were calm when we went in, and tear gas'y when we came out
<deadman> can't see. cops are staying their ground.
* poon couldn't make out rioters from onlookers
<deadman> cloud blowing my way.
<wade> sheesh. that bit of coverage on ch13 was enlightening.
<cider> yeah, wind's going north
<deadman> 12th/pine
* cider can't get any useful tv stations out of the 500 or so he gets
<poon> ah.. that qfc
<deadman> er, not qfc
<deadman> Kfc
<deadman> heh
<poon> ooohh..
<wade> cap hill denizens threaten to occupy east precinct.
<poon> there is a very very large number of riot police around 12th
<poon> 'go figure'
<deadman> troy's getting gassed. heh.
<cider> whoa
<deadman> line of people at pine/broadway. holding their ground.
<cider> man. this could get seriously ugly.
<deadman> troy's driving around in the nwcn van.
<cider> (like, way more than it is already)
<poon> any of you get gassed in your apt yet?
<cider> yep
<poon> the city should send us all amazon gift certificates to make up for this
<cider> and i think deadman has, too
<deadman> troy sez "police are standing their ground", then "people are standing and watching"
<deadman> more blasts.
<poon> did you see the quick interviews with the delegates that king5/kiro had?
<deadman> troy sez cap hill is "familiar" to him. heheheh
<deadman> "i'm sure"
<cider> nope, i don't get any local channels for some stupid reason
<cider> HEH
<kirk> heheh
<wade> hah
<poon> heh. northwest cable news?
<deadman> poon: naw, didn't see that.
<deadman> poon: yeah.
<cider> i'm trying to find out if i get nwcn
<poon> the delegates said they were sort of baffled that clinton seemed to side with the protesters
<deadman> folks in gas masks throw gas canisters back at the cops
<wade> where?
<poon> i wonder what's happening with the WTO talks. that's not getting any coverage, is it?
<deadman> 12th/pine
<kirk> i thought it was cool that clinton distinguised between violent and non-violent protesters
<poon> the most i've heard about the talks is "the talks finish friday"
<deadman> there's a conference in town?
<poon> heh. yeah, some TWO thing
<poon> i think it has something to do with the steel workers' union
<wade> naw, apples or something like that.
<deadman> cops moving west
<deadman> to 11th
<wade> or french cheese.
<cider> back from 12?
<deadman> si. forcing folks back down pine
<poon> i saw the police chief saying the cops didn't push the protesters/rioters up into capitol hill
* poon hears bangs near his home'
<poon> i'm on 17th
<cider> yeah, i can hear 'em too, and i'm way down the other end of broadway
<deadman> i'm two blocks north of pine
<deadman> and bway
* wade re-extends his offer: spend the night in quiet ballard.
<kirk> quiet? then we'd miss all the fun
<deadman> tempting, but me and the cat are gonna stick it out.
<kirk> i wonder when that helicopter is going to refuel
<deadman> even now she sharpens her claws on the couch. in protest.
* kirk prepares a kitty teargas grenade
<deadman> "gregory" of cap hill talking on nwcn
<deadman> called in
<deadman> HE IS NOT A CRACKPOT
<deadman> heh
<deadman> "big clouds of chemical warfare agents"
* tterb argues with people on efnet
<deadman> "only bothering residents"
<hades> Oh, yay!
<hades> The cops didn't shut my friend down.
<wade> hades!
<hades> They just called the UW to make sure the UW hadn't been hacked.
<hades> UW administration overreacted and insisted it be shut down.
<kirk> jeez
<hades> wade, heya :)
<poon> tterb: where, about what?
<deadman> gregory sez demonstrators merely an inconvenience. cops are terrifying
<kirk> that's mostly a good point
<tterb> heh
<tterb> #wto
<tterb> ph33r
<kirk> public irc, ph33r
<cider> yeah
* cider pheers #wto
<cider> heh
<cider> i was motnirogin that earlier
<tterb> eh, i'm bored
<tterb> d00d!! $cientology is behind wto!!!
* cider getting pulsing sound from scanner feed now
<deadman> media random in my home
<deadman> got gassed
<deadman> giving aid
<deadman> brb
<cider> wtf??
<cider> whoa
<kirk> whoa
<cider> my oh my
<cider> heheh
<poon> wow
<kirk> is the it the one "familiar" with capitol hill? *wink*
<poon> is he gonna put you on the tee vee?
<cider> heheheheh
* hades sets up a public shoutcast reflector account.
* cider notes that apbonline's feed kinda stinks
<poon> hades: is the feed back up somewhere? elsewhere:8088 was just white noise last i checked
<cider> ooh
<cider> it's back now
<kirk> elsewhere seems to be back up for me
<hades> I had to reboot; winamp had crashed hard.
<cider> heh
<cider> it earned it.
<poon> indeed
<poon> yay
<poon> hades, you're going to get huge kudos from this
<hades> *grin*
<cider> no shit
<hades> I've already got enough email to make me happy for months. Heh.
<kirk> heh, cool
<cider> irght on
<tterb> ya, it even got me ops on #wto
<tterb> heh
<cider> er
<cider> right
<hades> *snrk* From kada?
<tterb> ya heh
<cider> heh - when i was on earlier the op list was *huge*
* hades hops over to check out efnet
<deadman> this is vaguely surreal
<tterb> heh yeah, this d00d got opped then started kicking people he disagreed with
<cider> deadman: to say the fucking least
* kirk too
<cider> what's up?
<tterb> vaguely? you've been doing too many drugs
<cider> wtf?
<deadman> she's plugged in to a lot of web-based and possibly foreign media
<cider> protestors trying to steal gas from a gas station somewhere
<cider> report of armed robbery @ 2/bell
<cider> deadman: interesting
<cider> how the hell'd she end up in your house?
<deadman> yeah, she's using my phone now to call her family
<hades> Ok, scanner switching addresses.
<wade> sorry
<deadman> she chose my name at random
<hades> http://216.32.166.87:8448
<deadman> 'cause it was 'coffin'
<cider> hades: got it
<cider> HEH
<cider> right on
<deadman> she was with a council member
<deadman> and then they got bombed
<tterb> heh.
<tterb> your name will take you places some day, my son
<kirk> heheh
<tterb> I love going on random irc as BM593
<kirk> yeah, i generally take my nic handle cause i know it should be unique
<deadman> looks like the cop push stopped
<tterb> heh
<tterb> "should be:
<cider> deadman: yeah, sounds like they pushed back to 12th
<deadman> yeah.
<deadman> just heard that.
<cider> big crowd still at bway/pike
<tterb> what little I saw of the news made out some sort of standoff at the precinct
<cider> bway texaco and chevron shut off gas pumps
<cider> (is everyone getting the feed, or should i keep updating?)
<cider> 150 protestors headed for precinct w/ dumpster
* poon getting feed
<deadman> i just started getting it again.
<kirk> okay, i'm getting it again
<wade> we got it here.
<cider> heh
<kirk> heh, "headed for precinct w/ dumpster"
<cider> i'll shut up, then
<cider> kirk: yeah
<kirk> you mean APC
<poon> i dunno, it's kinda nice to have an echo
<poon> i can scroll back
<poon> :)
<cider> kirk: heheh
* tterb about to get it
<cider> poon: true :)
<tterb> got it
<cider> tterb: oh, thought you had it, sorry - wasn't ignoring you
<tterb> heh, nod
<tterb> I don't pay attention half the time anyway, so..
<poon> bring the what up? apc??
<cider> poon: yeah, i think so
<tterb> we could transcribe it on another channel
<poon> it would be neat to have a full radio transcription from the riots
<poon> wish we could have recorded all this
<cider> yeah
<cider> too bad we don't have a couple hundred TB of disk
<cider> heh
<poon> heh
<wade> peacekeeper?
<cider> yeah, a little truck with badasses on it
<cider> it's more like a platform with a motor and some railings
<cider> they were crusing around downtown in one earlier
<poon> we need to setup live cams next time
* poon really joking
<wade> i'm all for it!
<cider> hmm
<poon> heh. not really looking too forward to 'next time'
<cider> we actually wouldn't have needed *that* much disk to record 8kb/sec for three days :)
<poon> though i *do* want to get downtown with my digital cam sometime
<poon> cider: yeah, that's what i was thinking. disks cheap, could setup a fat raid and record most of the show
<cider> wouldn't even really need a badass raid - 8k/sec is pretty easy to stream
<cider> heh
<hades> Yeah, it ends up being not too much.
<hades> I captured several hours of it.
<cider> yeah
<poon> i mean to stripe the disks. i wonder how much space it'd actually take though
<wade> hades, you RAWK!
<tterb> ya
<cider> poon: 86400 * 3 * 8kb
<cider> heh
<kirk> i think just a big (20gig) disk and a periodic burn to CD
<cider> yeah
<poon> yeah, not bad at all
<poon> dang
<wade> anyone see anything on local tv right now?
<cider> not me
<cider> hmm, server dropped me
<cider> ah, back.
<poon> ditto
<deadman> brb - escorting the press
<cider> heh
<cider> where to?
<cider> verify a what?
<cider> oh, warrant.
<poon> what's at 12th and madison?
<cider> not a lot
<poon> heh. eh.
<cider> that's pretty far south
<wade> near la panzanella and 4 angles
<cider> yeah
<poon> "protesters at IHOP. they appear to be eating". heh.
<kirk> heheh
<cider> driving a whole van full of what?
<kirk> officers
<cider> ah.
<wade> s/angles/angels/
<cider> "hmm, not done yet - add more cops"
<poon> hehe... "just about right"
<poon> did mayhem go on all night last night?
<cider> i don't think so
<cider> at least, not serious mayhem
<deadman> going to the chevron station
<cider> deadman: that's a little bit insane
* poon hears sirens
<cider> heh
<poon> well, literally, and figuratively
<cider> poon: where are you?
<wade> deadman: stay home.
<poon> 17th, between john and denny
<cider> ah, 'k
<cider> (just keeping score on who can hear what where)
<poon> yeah - didn't you move from the diane apts? wher eyou?
<cider> nope, still @ diane
<cider> i'm #1, kirk is #2
<cider> heh
<poon> ah. good vantage for this i would guess
<cider> well, can't see anything, but i can hear stuff occasionally
<kirk> i was thinking about something cool a while back. it was related to some other stuff, but i was thinking it would be cool to have a huge database recording all these little facts (assuming voice->text would work...)
<poon> this feed isn't still on batteries is it?
<cider> hades got a wall bug, i think
<poon> er.. wait. the server went kaplewy last night didn't it?
* poon keeps forgetting what happened.
<cider> not exactly
<hades> www.elsewhere.org:8080 is relaying from the live365 feed
<hades> (Got a wall wart, yeah.)
<cider> hades: not picking up anything from elsewhere yet
<kirk> me either, just "ICY 200 OK"
<hades> m.
<hades> Icecast may be flaky.
<tterb> its back
<cider> carrying bricks?
<poon> yeah, where at?
<cider> east side of broadway around pine, i think
<cider> the "aparatus"?
<wade> 'the hoses'?
* tterb wonders if it is safe to go for milk
<cider> probably gonna firehose 'em
<cider> tterb: where?
<cider> i think most stuff is pretty well closed
<cider> heh
<tterb> qfc heh
<cider> the one on bway is closed
<tterb> fuckness
<poon> safeway on 15th is shut too
<tterb> what about the safeway on bway?
<poon> i would guess qfc, too, but i dunno
<tterb> and the harvard qfc?
<cider> dunno - imagine they're closed, too - but i dunno
<cider> harvard qfc is where all this shit is going down
<tterb> yeah, true
<poon> "see cops, throw rocks"
<tterb> eh?
<poon> just something a friend of mine says.
<poon> a humorous ism
<cider> heh
<cider> "how's it look for a 931"
<cider> (that apparently means "can we go eat now?")
<cider> whoa
<kirk> "going for guns"
<cider> yeah
<tterb> eh?
<tterb> 931 is going for guns?
<cider> folks are calling 911 and telling them that they're going to go get their guns and come back.
* tterb blinks
<cider> tterb: no, 931 is cop-speak for eating - so "how's it look for a 931" means "can we go eat now?"
<tterb> hmm, who's telling who to get guns?
<kirk> it is not clear who is calling 911 and who is getting the guns, and if they are the same people
<tterb> heh
* tterb lost the feed
<cider> tterb: randoms seem to be calling 911 and making threats
<tterb> nice
<kirk> i can't imagine there are more than 5 people out there that a) have a gun and b) are close enough to home to go get it
* tterb watches history repeat on #wto
* cider calls deadman to make sure he's indoors
<cider> heh
* deadman back
<deadman> heheh
<deadman> thanks
<cider> sure :)
<kirk> back to get your gun?
<cider> *snrk*
<deadman> naw - had to get the cat
<deadman> *she's* the Ultimate Weapon
<kirk> heheh
<poon> reporter safely delivered into the hands of the enemy?
<cider> request from spock?
<deadman> reporter just ran randomly away from the gas. my apt. building was the first apt. she hit.
<deadman> had to rinse the gas outta her eyes and such.
<deadman> she was from northern california
<cider> heh
<deadman> up with a bunch of granola-types
<deadman> there are more folks trickling into the crowd
<cider> i think every cop in western washington is getting called into this
<poon> deadman: where is said 'crowd'?
<poon> things seem quiet.
* wade harrases people at kiro7
<hades> go, wade
<poon> heh. really?
* tterb can't take #wto anymore
<cider> what're you harassing them about?
<cider> tterb: flee
<hades> Hey, wade, is onetouch a recent redhat system (glibc)?
<wade> "the people who put stuff o live tv are too tired. sorry."
<cider> what's that supposed to mean?
<wade> redhat 5.2
<cider> hades: you looking for more reflectors?
<wade> i called kiro to ask why they didn't have i live feed.
<wade> they said their staff was too sleepy.
<cider> wtf ever.
<hades> Well, I'm trying to get the unix shoutcast server to work, and atlantis keeps giving me "unable to resolve yp.shoutcast.com" errors.
<hades> Which is bogus, and I suspect library problem.
<cider> is atlantis recent rh?
<hades> Nope. It's slackware 3.0, I think.
<wade> hades: what is your phone number?
<cider> ah
<poon> acn you stick yp.shoutcast.com in the hosts file to hack aroun dit?
<cider> you looking for recent rh?
<hades> I tried /etc/hosts; no dice.
<cider> you can use my dsl box if you want - it's 6.1
<poon> lame
<tterb> so how is the new slackware?
* poon likes new slackware
* cider thinks it sucks
<cider> heh
<poon> have it at home and work, and am much satisfied
<poon> heh.
<poon> "as do many"
<cider> they totally fucked up the init stuff
<poon> redhat?
<poon> heh
<cider> no, slackware
<deadman> carmen best talking on nwcn - she's with spd
<hades> Wade: 297-0733. Gimme a minute to get out to the phone; I can't use it in here because it introduces bad hum into the scanner.
<cider> slackware was fine when it was one or the other
<poon> i know. joking.
<cider> hades: you want an acct on my rh 6.1 box?
* poon off to dreams of little explosives and gas
<poon> 'nite nite'
*** Signoff: poon (bang!)
<cider> 'night
<wade> what's with medic at 11th & pine?
<cider> didn't catch it
<deadman> someone's gotten hurt.
<wade> they said not for a cop
<deadman> hm.
<kirk> what is the best channel to listen to? this one seems dead
<deadman> that's so fucked
<deadman> forman: "it's amazing - people are making room for the emergency vehicle"
<cider> checking 11/bway for crowd size
<cider> kirk: what're you listening to?
<kirk> www.elsewhere.org:8080
<cider> ah
<kirk> now 216.32.166.87:8448
<deadman> telling the crowd to disperse.
<wade> have at it, hades.
<cider> chevron bway/pine - bottle thru window
<cider> 10/pine collecting bottles, donning gas masks
<tterb> ah you on a scanner cider?
<cider> yeah
<tterb> heh
<cider> getting http://216.32.166.87:8448
<cider> ah, helicopter is gathering crowd size
<cider> 250-300 people
<tterb> 250-300 people?
<tterb> where?
<cider> bway/pike/pine
<wade> Pine between Bway and 11
<cider> people "hovering" around dumpsters
<wade> do you have to levitate for that?
<cider> dunno - want me to call 911 and ask?
<cider> hmm
<cider> raining pretty heavily now
<kirk> rtsp://www.apbnews.com/scanner.rm
* wade gets poor responses from all local tv affiliates.
<cider> i wasn't getting anything off that before
<cider> wade: i'm not shocked
<hades> Blort, ok.
* deadman on phone with scaro, watching ch2
<hades> I think I've got my shoutcast woes ironed out.
<deadman> local councilman mediating
<wade> neither am i.
* cider wishes he could get some local channels or nwcn
<deadman> demonstrators possibly getting rowdy
<cider> deadman: sounds like they're starting to fortify a little bit
<cider> and it's raining
<cider> spock must be the helicopter
<wade> responses varied between a lack of man power to a lack of importance.
<cider> wha
<cider> t??
<cider> heh
<cider> did you press them on the lack of importance point at all? be interesting to hear what they mean by that.
<cider> at least 20 minutes before any cop action due to snafu with vehicle
<deadman> looting starbucks very important. possibly spraying rubber bullets into a crowd of dumb kids not important
<deadman> would that be "the aparatus"?
<cider> no idea
<cider> they haven't talked about "the aparatus" lately.
<kirk> hearing jim forman say "flash-bang" is funny
<cider> kirk: where are you hearing it?
<kirk> rtsp://www.apbnews.com/scanner.rm
<wade> cider: i'd hardly call it a protest or riot, sir.
<cider> deadman: what was the cop deployment like when you were out there?
<cider> wade: goddamn.
<cider> kirk: oh, huh - they were just picking up some other boring cop stuff earlier
<deadman> cider: pretty strong
<hades> I think the helicopter is "guardian one". Maybe spock is one of the apcs?
<cider> whoops, wondering what the problem with the aparatus is
<cider> they're gonna hose 'em - trying to get in touch with the fire dept
<cider> hades: could be
<cider> it's definitely a vehicle - they were requesting a spot light on the alley from it
* BR903 MOTORING IN
<cider> BR903
<tterb> what's the aparatus?
<cider> tterb: unknown
<tterb> must have something to do with the mass arrest contingency plan
<tterb> heh
<cider> natl guard 15 to 20 min away
<deadman> jim forman getting philisophical
<cider> ah, it's a "fire aparatus"
<wade> fire apparatus
<kirk> heh, yeah
<kirk> (re: jim forman)
<deadman> kirk: you catching this?
<wade> drones, meet kathy...
<kirk> yeah, at 80kbps real video
*** wade is now known as kathy
<cider> howdy, kathy
<kirk> hi kathy
<deadman> kirk: right on.
<deadman> hiya kathy
<kathy> hi
* deadman slicks back his hair and squirts binacca into his maw
<kathy> bout time
<deadman> heheheh
<cider> according to THE_INTERNET a "fire aparatus" is a bigass hose pump
<tterb> okay, dead air
<tterb> what are you guys listening to?
<kirk> ooh, phone calls
<deadman> yeah
<deadman> oh, someone from bellingham calling
<kirk> heheh
* cider gonna try to get the video feed
<cider> heh
<cider> hmm.
<deadman> with family members who are cops in the riot control squads
<cider> realplayer is looking for other ways to connect to the internet.
<deadman> she's upset at the protesters and all the anti-cop calls
<cider> hmm, i think my realplayer hates me.
<kirk> wanna watch it here?
<cider> sure, 'sec - gonna finish configuring this nameserver at work first :)
<tterb> which feed?
<kirk> this is actually pretty good coverage, relatively speaking
<kirk> rtsp://www.apbnews.com/scanner.rm
<deadman> yeah, most of the viewer calls are throw-away, unfortuneately
<tterb> wtf is rtsp?
<kirk> real time streaming protocol
<tterb> heh
<cider> real time streaming protoocl
<deadman> rtsp is wtf?
<cider> ehh
<cider> heh
<kirk> (which i happen to be porting a proxy for at work :)
<tterb> is it a real protocol?
<deadman> much smaller looking crowd of people
<cider> ah
<cider> fire aparatus, in fact, seems to be a standard ladder truck.
<cider> but that can't be right - it wouldn't take them 20 min to get one
<deadman> silly developer didn't check that he couldn't log in. heh.
<deadman> weird.
<deadman> yeah, there's a fire station *right there*
<cider> yeah
<deadman> well, two blocks up, but still....
<cider> whoa.
<tterb> fuck, I can't watch it either
<cider> found a classified ads page that sells used firetruck equipment
<kirk> enumclaw? god
* delores MOTNIROGIN
<deadman> hm. folks not in seattle seem to side with the cops. folks in seattle side with demonstrators. seattle is obviously much too permissive.
<kirk> heh
<kirk> i love how this guy has to recap things
<tterb> hmm.. any alternate formats?
<cider> delores
<tterb> is there just an ra stream, or is it only rv?
<kirk> just rv, apparently
<cider> man climbing monorail at 5/battery
<deadman> heh. just like stallone did.
<deadman> heheheh
<kirk> jeez, sending in more people
<cider> more cop people?
<kirk> yeah
<deadman> er, guard
<deadman> national, that is.
<delores> cider, kirk, deadman
<delores> so.
<deadman> delores
<delores> there's this helicopter that's been hovering near my house for some time now.
<deadman> yeah, these are the same cops who took an entire day to deal with a single man with a sword.
<deadman> hm.
<deadman> delores: it's circling over 12th/pine.
<deadman> police stand off with demonstrators/residents
<tterb> is it clear what's happening?
* tterb wonders where he can find some milk
<deadman> milk is a tool of the devil
<deadman> used to make me sick.
<deadman> heh.
<tterb> heh
<delores> deadman: jeez. thanks for the update.
<deadman> yeah - five hour standoff
<deadman> er, guard taking a serious stance
<deadman> cops just arrested somebody
<deadman> the cops have masked up
<deadman> we've lost jim forman!
<deadman> signal just died. i think something came unplugged
<deadman> stiil dead air
<deadman> creepy
<kirk> we still have a signal
<deadman> back
*** kathy is now known as wade
<wade> we lost hade's scanner link. what was it again?
<kirk> jim forman describing capitol hill
<deadman> yeah that was a hoot
<deadman> someone from juno calling
<tterb> hmm, what channel is that on?
<deadman> 2
<tterb> oh heh
<tterb> so any word on open stores in the hill area?
<deadman> unknown
<deadman> i'm thinking qfc may be open.
<deadman> nothing happening down there.
<tterb> yeah, I heard it was closed
<deadman> oh.
<tterb> I might check in a bit
<deadman> well then.
<deadman> yer screwed.
<tterb> at least the walk would do me good if nothing else
<deadman> call 'em.
<tterb> heh
<wade> tterb: co-op?
<deadman> co-op in wrong part of town.
<deadman> heh.
<tterb> wade: no thanks
<tterb> heh
<wade> oops!
<deadman> boo hoo
<tterb> apparently, they are motnirogin, but not open
<tterb> heh, yeah, i'm not that worried about it
<deadman> heheh
<deadman> naw, that was in response to something on tv.
<tterb> yeah, i've gone "boo hoo" a lot over the last few days
<deadman> another arrest
<deadman> concussion grenades
<deadman> "good morning"
<deadman> wish i had a feed....
<deadman> er, scanner feed.
<deadman> police moving towards broadway
<deadman> tear gas
<deadman> a maskless cop got gassed
<deadman> many more concussion grenades
<deadman> Thu Dec 2 01:50:24 PST 1999
<deadman> woo
<deadman> hm. they waited for the rain to start before they did that. interesting.
<deadman> another wad of riot cops. banging their shields
<deadman> cops have assumed position at 11th/pine
<deadman> crow spread
<deadman> er, crowd
<deadman> pine/bway now filled with cop cars.
<deadman> whoa
<deadman> apparently the cops were asked to take a single step back as a show of good faith, and the majority of the demonstrators would have disperesed.
<deadman> but the cops said now. this is what the county councilmember is reporting. his word: "asinine"
<deadman> er, cops so "no"
<deadman> said no
<deadman> jeez.
<deadman> must sleep
<deadman> ah
<deadman> i see the apparatus
<wade> did this precede push down pine?
<deadman> yeah - the councilman was getting some leadership formed out of the crowd.
<deadman> he was the d00d in the suit
<wade> leave it to the cops to do it the smart way
<deadman> he managed to do it, was getting folks to move up to the sidewalks. but they wanted the cops to take a step back.
<deadman> cops refused.
<deadman> councilman saying some very unkind things about the cops. heh.
<wade> Kathy joins the councilman in saying unkind words
<deadman> heh. indeed.
<tterb> what councilman?
<tterb> heh, this on 2?
<deadman> si
<tterb> hmm
<deadman> there was a county councilman and 3 city councilfolk down there.
<tterb> I heard some booms earlier
<deadman> concussion grenades. followed by tear gas.
<tterb> woah heh
<tterb> damn
<tterb> hmm well I'm gonna go see if I can find an open business
<deadman> now is a bad time, d00d
<deadman> but good luck.
<deadman> heh.
<wade> 2am -> wade & kathy sleep
<tterb> heh
<deadman> 'night.
<tterb> true enough
* tterb reconsiders
<deadman> they're trying to figure out where the crowd ran off to.
<wade> thanks for sharing the facts with us non-cable subscribers!
* wade out
* tterb still motnirogin and interested in what is going on
<deadman> they're talking to some d00d calling in from califronia
<deadman> he's been watching the coverage on the internet
<deadman> heh
<deadman> gonna poke my head outside real quick....
<deadman> the copter's circling pine and bway
<deadman> some folks appeared to be leaving the area. looks like very little street traffic
<deadman> though it is ten after two.
<deadman> heh
* hades grows sleepy.
<hades> "streetsweepers, return to staton 25"
<deadman> very...very...sleepy.....
<deadman> so - news is reporting that it's "over"
<deadman> though the copter still circles.
<hades> Copter's trying to figure out where the crowd went, prolly.
<hades> Make sure they don't regroup.
* hades is glad he lives in BFE.
<tterb> what sort of converage is there on the net?
<deadman> unknown
<hades> Huh. Where's .th? I appear to have an .au listener and a .th listener on my scanner.
<kirk> just nwcn reboardcast
<deadman> the internet coverage the guy was watching was the same thing cyrus and kirk were watching.
<kirk> er, rebroadcast
<deadman> thailand
<hades> Cool.
<deadman> TH: Thailand
<deadman> /exec -out country th
<kirk> ooh, cool
<deadman> CX: Christmas Island
<deadman> for example
<deadman> heh
<hades> Nifty.
<cider> BE: Belgium
<deadman> yeah, i think the array is missing a couple of new top levels, but i only ever encountered that once.
<cider> /bin/sh: to: command not found
<cider> er
<cider> TO: Tonga
<cider> yay!
<tterb> here's a nic eheadling
<tterb> headline
<tterb> "seattle protestors wrong"
<cider> cops seem to be heading homewardish
<cider> tterb: where'd you see that?
<tterb> http://www.afr.com.au/content/991202/update/update50.html
<deadman> yeah, the australian wto delegate was fuming mad over the protesters and the way the cops coddled them.
<tterb> "coddled"
<deadman> well, my word. but that was his basic idea.
<deadman> "we would never have allowed this to get so out of hand in australia"
<cider> "because nothing very interesting ever happens in australia"
<deadman> totally
<deadman> www.amazoningsiding.com
<deadman> er
<deadman> www.amazingsiding.com
<deadman> fingers too programmed.
<deadman> heh.
<hades> *snrk*
<deadman> www.800-657-4100.com
<deadman> that url is too weird. i gotta look....
<deadman> hm. no name service.
<deadman> heh.
<cider> where are you getting this stuff?
<deadman> ads from the tv.
<cider> ahhh
<deadman> copter light just flashed into my apt.
<deadman> damn, it's bright.
<cider> did you throw some teargas at it?
<deadman> naw, fresh out. the cat's been snorting it all day.
<hades> Heh. Council member aide asks SPD if they know where the councilmembers went.
* cider has a theory that the two people who got arrested out of the crowd before the teargas came were cops
<hades> Yeah, there was talk of plainclothes cops in the crowds this morning.
<cider> call me paranoid.
<cider> yeah, i heard that.
<deadman> d00d - i *totally* suspect that's the case.
* hades goes to bed.
<hades> G'nite, all.
<deadman> 'night, hades.
<cider> 'night
* hades -- zonk
<deadman> i must sleep too
* cider too soon
<deadman> though i'm a bit nervous about what i might find waiting for me tomorrow.
<deadman> okay - i'm gonna go to bed and try not to listen to the copter
<deadman> oh.
<deadman> it's gone.
<deadman> heh
<deadman> that's cool.
<deadman> it's back.
<deadman> woo
<deadman> i'll no doubt be dreaming that i'm in beruit
<deadman> or bellevue square. with the tear gas and a big stick.
<deadman> heh.
* kirk still watching nwcn
<deadman> yeah, me too
<kirk> heh, they finally started cutting people off
<deadman> turned down the sound though
<deadman> oh?
<deadman> heh
<deadman> yeah, just not that interested in the perspective of folks from spokane.
<deadman> "go fig"
<kirk> well, some guy called in and said "my dad's up there". the reporter said "uh, okay"
<deadman> HEH
<deadman> too funny
<kirk> (as a policeman)
<kirk> he went on to name some friends that were policeman and how it was wrong, she said "thanks for your call"
<deadman> they should have a second line for crackpots
<kirk> but yeah, i think they cut the phone in segment when all they got was people from outside the city with relatives who are policemen
<deadman> yeah, those cops were all from that precinct. or most of 'em, i'd guess.
<cider> man, i don't think i'd ever seen or heard him before, but jim forman is a total knob.
<kirk> heh
<deadman> yeah, they normally send him to sites where whether is occuring
<cider> heheheh
<deadman> heavy snow? send jim! rain? jim!
<cider> they ought to send him to the bottom of puget sound on an extended aquatic life exploration mission.
<deadman> last week he was reporting on the heavy rain and flooding from snoqualmie falls.
<cider> or just give him one of those paper "chinese fingercuff" things. probably take him *months* to get it off.
<deadman> HEH
<deadman> beautiful image.
<deadman> i hear a siren in the distance.
<deadman> hm. this italian delegate lives in seattle.
<cider> huh
<deadman> interesting.
<deadman> he said he felt that most of the prots were from out of town.
<deadman> *whoa*
<cider> hmm?
<deadman> cnn newsource ge-3 trnasponder 9 87 deg west long tech 404 827 1094 editorial 404 827 2659
<deadman> and a color bar
<cider> er
<cider> heh
<deadman> now it's back to normal
<deadman> that was weird.
<cider> i think that qualifies as "technical difficulties"
<deadman> totally.
<deadman> small time outfit, anyway.
<deadman> heh.
<deadman> hm. i wonder what their on-air "availability" stacks-up to be.
<deadman> hm.
<cider> heheh
<cider> "how many nine's you guys getting?"
<deadman> ah - it's quiet outside. only hear the rain, now.
<cider> about freakin' time.
<deadman> i'm oot
<deadman> 'night
<cider> Thu Dec 2 02:38:31 PST 1999
<cider> 'night
<deadman> jesus
<tterb> you guys calculate your availability, right?
* tterb back from milk hunting
<deadman> "never"
<deadman> we don't have to
<tterb> true
<tterb> hmm slashdot is down
<deadman> cnet does that for us.
<tterb> anyone read the story there?
<tterb> cnet?
<cider> nope
<tterb> is there a url for that?
<tterb> heh
<deadman> slashdot? gave up on reading that awhile back.
<deadman> heh.
<deadman> (i've reached maximal "linux is the be-all-end-all" news ingestion)
<deadman> k - really out now.
* deadman -> zzzzz
<tterb> yeah, i don't really read that much
<tterb> but i'm interested in that article
<tterb> hmm I think someone filtered port 80 accidentally
* tterb attempts bed
* tterb back for a moment
<hades> Fucking power outages.
<hades> *mutter*
* hades goes back to bed.