* aquinas around
*** poolgirl is now known as TEE2
* IJ89 motnirogin
<IJ89> TEE2, aquinas
<TEE2> Good morning all!
<TEE2> IJ89, aquinas - hi!
<aquinas> 'morning all
<IJ89> what's happening, three-days-until-being-here drone?
*** aquinas is now known as SW548
<IJ89> or is it four?
<TEE2> hehehe
<TEE2> uhhhh ... 4
<TEE2> i iwll be in sunday night
<TEE2> er...will
* TEE2 has no concept of time anymore
<IJ89> heh. excellent. we having a "coming back" party that night?
<IJ89> (or, as you might say, "moving in party")
<TEE2> heheheh
<TEE2> maybe not that night ... but *something* will happen
* IJ89 sees that for the _second day in a row_ the builds show zero errors. IJ89 almost cries in delight
<IJ89> excellent
* IJ89 -> builds
<TEE2> have fun!
* wade MONITORING
<TEE2> wade!
<TEE2> hi!
<wade> hi!
<wade> anybody know where this 24 curfew is in effect?
<cider> wade: downtown, basically
*** cider is now known as CIDR
* CIDR MONITORING
<wade> CIDR
<CIDR> but the curfew is "limited" in nature.
<CIDR> if you work downtown, you can still go there.
<CIDR> http://www.cityofseattle.org/wto/lcarea.htm
<wade> right on. thanks CIDR.
<CIDR> sure
<SW548> I'm am downtown working and as of yet have not been beaten w/sticks
* CIDR consults his paperwork... oh, yeah - you're on the "afternoon" list.
* deadman twitches
<SW548> right. just let me know when and where and I'll be there on my knees
<CIDR> deadman
<deadman> your obedience to the state will be rewarded
<deadman> CIDR
<deadman> 'morning, all
<CIDR> howdy
<deadman> everything quiet this morning?
<TEE2> CIDR!+!+
<CIDR> TEE2!!++
<TEE2> deadman!+!+
<CIDR> deadman: so far as i can tell
<CIDR> but i've only been up for about 20 min - since my cell phone started ringing again :)
<deadman> jeez.
<deadman> heh
<deadman> hm.
<deadman> this is apparently the first time a curfew like this has been imposed in seattle since "...the army ordered japanese citiezens off the street in world war II".
<wade> sigh.
<deadman> the curfew does not apply to shoppers.
<CIDR> wtf?
* delores MOTNIROGIN
<wade> delores
<deadman> reading the story at www.cnn.com
<delores> deadman: what???
<CIDR> how are they determining that??
<deadman> it's the conditions the mayer set down.
<deadman> er, mayor
<CIDR> hmm, not according to the proclamation thingy he wrote.
<deadman> interesting.
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<deadman> poon
<poon> deadman.
<poon> any news?
<deadman> A delegation from Chile fumed at officers when the group couldn't get
<deadman> to the Four Seasons Hotel. "If you're in a state of war here, you
<deadman> shouldn't have invited us to this country," yelled Mario Artaza, the
<deadman> Chilean minister.
<kirk> heh
<deadman> wow. although the cnn story seemed inaccurate, the seattletimes story is just crap.
<TEE2> poon, kirk!
<deadman> "democracy is a messy form of government." jim mcdermott (d - seattle)
<deadman> that scares me coming from that one.
<deadman> heh.
<IJ89> oh my god
<IJ89> hey all
* IJ89 reads scrool
* IJ89 is, however, pleased to see that the curfew area doesn't extend to his favorite belltown location
<deadman> county councilman brian derdowski's negative comments on the way the cops handled things last night are absent from the seattletimes story
<kirk> Early into this morning, riot police lobbed round
<kirk> after round of concussion grenades, which are meant to startle but
<kirk> not injure people, at a ragtag mob that seemed eager for a fight.
<kirk> "eager for a fight"?
<IJ89> that's you, kirk
<IJ89> deadman: there was a really cool story on NPR this morning -- "we interviewed 10 to 15 people up here [on cap hill] and they all live here, and say they don't understand why the police are attacking them"
<IJ89> it was right in line with what i experienced first-hand last night, which was refreshing
<deadman> oh, classic seattle times:
*** deadman is now known as |
<|> Throughout, it was impossible to tell who were anti-WTO protesters and
<|> who were bystanders, onlookers or just young people spoiling for a
<|> fight. Some in the crowd obviously were having fun, with some asking
<|> one another in glee, "How many times have you been gassed?"
*** | is now known as deadman
<deadman> that's the closing paragraph to the article.
* deadman spits
<deadman> derdowski had some strong things to say in criticism of the way the cops handled stuff last night. am i lucky i heard him say them himself over the live broadcast last night? jeez.
<CIDR> apparently.
<IJ89> weird
<IJ89> i love this one:
*** IJ89 is now known as |
<|> Gorton praised police but criticized city officials for poor planning. He said the
<|> scenes of battling protesters and police will hurt the city's chances of
<|> attracting national conventions that could be controversial
<|> >/q>
*** | is now known as IJ89
<IJ89> "oh darn"
* deadman weeps
<deadman> http://www.seattletimes.com/news/local/html98/gass_19991202.html
<deadman> "so that's what tear gas is"
<IJ89> hmm
* IJ89 notes that he has asthma
<deadman> defense technology corp does not have a website that i can find.
<deadman> heh.
<IJ89> hmm
<IJ89> i kept having fantasies about sniping on the cops from some rooftop with my bow
<IJ89> ...as i fell asleep last night
<deadman> oooo - mars polar lander is on its way. right on!
<IJ89> yeah, that's supposed to land tomorrow, right?
<deadman> si
<deadman> launched january 3rd.
<deadman> woo
<IJ89> excellent
* IJ89 wonders where he can acquire some flash-bangs to lob back at police
*** spiff is now known as CO149
<IJ89> morning CO149
<CO149> IJ89
* CO149 reports quiet dntn right now
* CO149 surfaces at 3/pine, walkst to 5th, pike, stop for a latte at monorail, then north on 6th to blanchard. cops everywhere, and plywood. no prots
<IJ89> i'd hope so -- you hear about what went down on cap hill last night?
<CO149> in great detail on tg 4019
<IJ89> deadman: http://www.clandestine.com/html/dtc.html
<IJ89> that's the wyoming supplier
<IJ89> yeah. it was nuts
<IJ89> hmm. may not be, actually. same name, though
<IJ89> http://www.nonlethal.com/dtca.htm <- that might be, though
<IJ89> (features gas and grenades)
<IJ89> hmm. just gas grenades, looks like
* IJ89 investigates police-grade gas masks
* kirk about to head out for radio shack
<kirk> i just got a call saying the scanners are in
<IJ89> excellent
<IJ89> that was quick
* IJ89 will be at ballad radio shack today, acquiring the smallest digital multimeter he's ever seen
<kirk> yeah, they just picked them up at some store way up north and drove them down last night or this morning
<IJ89> oh, cool
<kirk> where "way up north" == north of 145th
<IJ89> right
<IJ89> heh
<kirk> heh
<IJ89> now i just have to convince CO149 to get one of those, so he can sell me his old one
<IJ89> "old"
<deadman> ooo
<deadman> cool.
* deadman monitoring
<IJ89> re deadman
* IJ89 hits armynavysurplus.com just out of curiosity
<IJ89> the site appears to have nothing to do with actual surplus, however.
<IJ89> *sigh*
<kirk> ooh, anyone read this story about cisco's "new wireless strategy"?
<kirk> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19991201/tc/cisco_internet_1.html
* kirk has become somewhat more interested in wireless stuff lately, but not enough to get a license
<IJ89> heh
<IJ89> wireless rocks
<CO149> dntn closing btw spring and lenora, all avenues -- from metro
<delores> huh
<IJ89> yeah, it's the 24 hour curvew, isn't it?
<IJ89> er. curfew
* CIDR MONITORING
<CO149> <q>
<CO149> Due to a protest march heading down
<CO149> Capitol Hill, Metro Transit is immediately suspending all bus service on all ave
<CO149> nues north of Spring Street and south of Lenora Street until further notice.
<CO149> </q>
<IJ89> huh
<IJ89> hey CIDR
<deadman> back
<deadman> "guess who forgot to call his mom last night"
<deadman> heh
<CIDR> IJ89
<CIDR> heh
<CIDR> yeah, my mom hasn't seen the news yet, i guess
<IJ89> hmm. "police magnum" of tear gas + OC for about $7
<IJ89> http://home.worldnet.att.net/~first-sgts/page39.htm
<CIDR> or it hasn't been on the natl news yet
<IJ89> it was on NPR last night..
<IJ89> er. this morning
<CIDR> ah
<deadman> there were protests and arrests in boston yesterday
<kirk> ooh
<kirk> heheh
<IJ89> well, it was on the radio last night too, but there was a really good, unbiased story this morning
<CO149> demonstrations in Manila this week, too
<CIDR> deadman: oh yeah?
* kirk guesses at "www.bostontimes.com" and is definitely in the wrong place
* CO149 notes the WTO has a really sucky PR firm.
<CIDR> heh
<deadman> yeah, saw it on the news last night.
<CIDR> kirk: www.bostonglobe.com
<kirk> (for those of you without a graphical browser... LUCKY YOU!)
<CIDR> heheh
<deadman> babysex.com?
<deadman> dear god.
<CO149> cops requesting M46 canisters not be discarded. they can be refilled
* kirk -> u dist radio shack
<IJ89> M46?
<CO149> gas canister. prooly those "police magnums"
<deadman> oooo
<IJ89> i saw some refillable gas and flashbang cannisters on nonleathal.com
<CO149> they're "fire extinguisher sized"
<IJ89> they all said "can be refilled up to 25 times"
<IJ89> oh wow. no, these were hand-grenade sized
*** deadman is now known as |
<|> the boston city council voted in a closed-door session yesterday to
<|> hire an attorney to fight the state attorney general's recent ruling
<|> that councilors must turn over their e-mail correspondence to media
<|> organizations.
*** | is now known as deadman
<IJ89> er
<deadman> that's damned interesting.
<CO149> huh.
<IJ89> do they have to turn over recordings of phone calls, or paper letters?
* IJ89 sees some seriously weird "non-analogous" thinking here
<deadman> http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/336/metro/City_Council_votes_to_fight_e_mail_disclosure_ruling+.shtml
<deadman> CIDR: i'm good to go. give the word....
<deadman> well, most such correspondence is normally public record, isn't it?
<deadman> but not phone calls.
<IJ89> between councillors and who again?
<deadman> if the city owns the email (like amazon owns my amazon email), then the city can tell them what to do with it.
<deadman> the state attorney general
<CO149> hmm.
<CO149> we had that "discussion" here, but i don't remember what became of it
<deadman> yeah, that would be damned strange. you work at your isp.
<CO149> the idea is that an email "discussion" btw 3 or more councillors might fall under the sunshine law
<deadman> dunno how most isps deal with that.
<IJ89> hmm
<IJ89> weird, but "ok"
<CO149> as a meeting de facto
<deadman> ah. excellent point.
* IJ89 finally finds someone selling gas masks online
<CIDR> deadman: all set, meet at vivace?
<deadman> i'm so there. gonna take an extra minute to get some dough outta the machine....
<deadman> but i'll see ya there.
<CIDR> 'k
* deadman motoring out...
* CO149 notes that if one more tear gas canister is launched, then he's gonna get a stick and start bashing anarchist skull. I'm fucking tired of the bullshit.
<CO149> 94 new messages received.
* CO149 cries
* CO149 notes that 191/192 modems were in use at one point monday
<CO149> sheesh
<CO149> <q>
<CO149> This is a seperate order, the EU is moving locations and i beleive would
<CO149> like to maintain service through the end of Dec
<CO149> </q>
<CO149> EU? European Union?
<CO149> where would you move Europe to?
<IJ89> africa
<IJ89> russia
<IJ89> ok, must be time to head out for radio shack to pick up my tiny multimeter
* IJ89 oot
*** deadman is now known as DC1020
* DC1020 MONITORING
<TEE2> DC1020!+!+
<DC1020> TEE2
<DC1020> howdy
<TEE2> hi!
<poon> horla
<TEE2> poon!
<DC1020> poonly
<poon> DC1020
<poon> metro suspending all bus service south of lenora
<CO149> ony1 have a tranq gun they can loan me?
<CO149> 500 on Bell?
* delores MOTNIROGIN
<CO149> delores
<delores> CO149: where on bell?
<delores> CO149
<CO149> dunno.
<CO149> i don't see anyone
<DC1020> that might be the crowd CIDR and i walked down with (well, 'til they turned on melrose)
<delores> hmm.
<CO149> crowd 200 block of bell, moving west
* kirk at the space
<delores> kirk
<kirk> delores
<DC1020> kirkly
<CIDR> kirk
<DC1020> you there to save the skunk weed?
<kirk> heheh
<CIDR> "secret service evacuating skunk weed to sector 5"
<DC1020> (can't think of any other reason why a mob would be headed to 2nd/bell)
<kirk> i got the scanners and good rechargeable batteries and wall plugs
<CIDR> ooh
<CIDR> nice
<kirk> the bus got tied up by the march, so i jumped off
<kirk> i'm trying to figure out the safest way of heading south
<DC1020> sprout wings
<kirk> heh
<DC1020> learn to teleport
<DC1020> astrally project
<CIDR> get a peacekeeper
<CO149> bell st march reaches western, about 150 working their way to victor steinbrueck
<DC1020> send a proxy
<kirk> i'm thinking down by the water is better
<CIDR> yeah
<CIDR> probably
<kirk> that is where the busses appear to be headed
<CO149> possible demonstration at lower QA safeway
<CIDR> downtown seemed mostly ok when we walked through earlier, but the rally was just getting underway
<kirk> CO149: is this your mt. dew in the fridge?
<CO149> <q>
<CO149> > let's eliminate wasteful single-use paper cup consumption :)
<CO149> DOWN WITH THE OPPRESSOR PARIDGM OF WTO SECURiTAT!
<CO149> ELIMINATE GLOBAL SINGLE-USE SINGLE OCCUPANCY ONE WORLD VEHICAL TELEPHONY CUPS!
<CO149> MORE DSL FOR EVERYONE!
<CO149> and, ahh, more poetry too please.
<CO149> </q>
<CO149> kirk: negative, quaff it!
<kirk> heh, cool
<CIDR> kirk: if it's a six-pack, it's probably mine - drink it!
<CIDR> HEH
<CIDR> CO149: excellent
<DC1020> CO149: lol
* kirk consulting with CO149 on possible escape routes
<CIDR> try leaping from roof to roof.
<kirk> heheh
* kirk -> pioneer square
* CO149 eyeballs the pro-94
<CO149> looks like a darned fine unit
* CO149 prolly gonna have to got to portland to get one, though
<CO149> 5-800 ppl arriving victor stein park
<CIDR> which one is that?
<CO149> at the market
<CO149> humbow park
<CIDR> oh
<CIDR> dear
<CIDR> heh
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<CIDR> spud
<CO149> spud
<spud> Hiya gents.
<DC1020> spud
<DC1020> hiya
<spud> Sup Deadman?
<DC1020> good think you didn't stop by last night
<DC1020> was insane.
<CO149> s/insane/totally fucked up/
<spud> Ya, so I heard.
<DC1020> had a member of the press in my apartment. heh.
<spud> Really?
<DC1020> that was pretty exciting
<CO149> cool!
<spud> HOw did that happen?
<CO149> and how was he?
<DC1020> yeah, some califronian. was up with the Granola Press
<DC1020> heh
<CO149> califr0nian!
<spud> HEH, indeed.
<DC1020> she, actually. she was over-stimulated. ran to my building and rang my door to get water and such - she got 'gassed.
<DC1020> heheh
<spud> Ooo. She cute?
<DC1020> damned freudian typos
* CO149 notes that gas *is* pretty stimulating...
<DC1020> i walked her back to the protest and got out just before the serious police precense started.
<spud> WHat a gentlemen.
<DC1020> heheh
<DC1020> "no doubt"
<DC1020> "her you go, ma'am. don't forget to duck. bye!"
<CO149> HEH
<spud> I heard the cops were pretty thug-like."
<DC1020> totally thug like.
* CO149 preparing to be pretty thuglike, too
<DC1020> that little precinct's never played well with the neighborhood. go fig, i guess.
<DC1020> though relations have been pretty good recently, til last night.
<CO149> any residents try to bust any "anarchist" skull?
<DC1020> well, residents were going behind the 'anarchists' and cleaning up after 'em. putting out fires, keeping looting from happening, that sort of thing.
<CO149> fine business.
<CIDR> the cops were fucking bonkers.
<CO149> great story on news of prots cleaning up dntn yesterday, too
<DC1020> yeah, only problem was the cops and 'guard can't tell residents from "anarchists"
<DC1020> "they look like eveyrone else"
* CO149 notes that a 3-piece suit is fine wearing for a riot
<CO149> confuses the shit outa cops
<DC1020> heheh. there was some of that out there last night.
<DC1020> only once did the tear gas cloud waft to my apartment.
<CO149> shit
<CO149> how's pish?
<DC1020> she was freaked and hiding when i got home from work yesterday, but weathered it okay. only seemed a little concerned when the grenades went off...curled up under my feet for that.
<DC1020> the thing that truly urked me was the sweep of folks off of broadway around 10:30-ish
<DC1020> that was so completely unecessary and stupid
<CO149> look at the bright side of that. all the real creeps went to siege teh precinct
<CO149> but yeah. cops and broadway do not mix.
<DC1020> yeah, was talking with don at vivace this morning.
* hades monitoring
<CO149> hades
<hades> CO149
<DC1020> i pointed out that you don't send a bunch of authority figures into a community with authority issues. heh.
<DC1020> hades
<hades> DC1020, drones. Howdy.
<CO149> hades, can you pick up 469.500 from home?
<hades> Lemme check.
<CO149> maybe we should give the protesters a turn on shoutcast
<DC1020> ooo
<DC1020> yeah.
* CIDR can't get the shoutcast any more for some reason
<hades> Not hearing anything on 469.500
<CO149> kinda quiet at this instant
<hades> What's up?
<CO149> anything just now?
<hades> Nope, just static.
<CO149> dang
<CO149> he's off the scale here.
<hades> What's on that freq?
<CO149> protester dispatch
<hades> Aha.
<hades> Yeah, I'm in the shadow of QA hill. If there's someone transmitting from downtown I can't hear it unless it's being relayed off the columbia tower, pretty much.
<CO149> prot says "lunch will be at the aprk in 15 minutes if you can hold everyone there, I will call Tactical as well"
<CO149> prots have about 5 channels, but i haven't found the others. "work" interfering with my life again, dammit
<DC1020> MA203 have a new scheme brewing?
<CO149> naw, same old shit
<DC1020> dsl to antarctica?
*** kirk is now known as KP875
<CIDR> KP875
<delores> KP875
<KP875> CIDR, delores
* CIDR talking with cow-orker about cap hill mayhem and finds that he's still pretty pissed off about it all
<CO149> press conf on tv
<KP875> yeah, i went to taco del mar and was anxious for this guy to ask me how i was doing (like he always does) so i could vent a tiny bit
* CO149 ignores it
<DC1020> press conf with which dr0ks? city? prots? wild-eyed loons who have left the commune for the first time in 30 years?
<CO149> may0r and chief stamper
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<DDM73> anybody home?
<CIDR> DDM73
<DDM73> ah
<CIDR> yo.
<delores> heya
<DC1020> CO149: ACK
<DC1020> DDM73
*** delores is now known as TT205
<TT205> eep!
<DDM73> I just heard that Eric and Mell got maced for standing on a sidewalk
<CIDR> me too
<DDM73> coool
<CIDR> kirk and i got flashbanged and peppersprayed
<DDM73> sweeeeet
<CIDR> not really.
<DDM73> I'm gonna go give th ACLU a big chunk of my paycheck
<CIDR> what are they doing, exactly?
<DDM73> They're filing restrainging orders against the city and possibly other good shit
<CIDR> ah.
<DDM73> I figure, if anyone is gonna help us, it's gonna be them
<CIDR> well, it's clearly working splendidly.
<DDM73> What are you planning to do?
<CIDR> "go the fuck to san francisco for the weekend"
<DDM73> good plan
<TT205> oh, hey.
<TT205> CIDR
<TT205> "speaking of"
<KP875> well, *we* didn't get gassed, but they sent some gas west half a block at other people yelling "what are you doing here?" and "i have child sleeping in this apartment"
<TT205> are we heading down to evergreen tomorrow?
<CIDR> well, there was a cop spraying shit in our direction.
<CIDR> TT205: yeah, i was thinking of leaving around 10:30 or so to catch lunch w/ judy
<TT205> excellent. still want me to come with you?
<CIDR> yeah, totally
<TT205> hey, castro cancelled, didn't he? please tell me castro cancelled, or this town is going to be a smoking hole in the ground.
<CIDR> yeah, i've been doing that alot, too
<DDM73> PTSD!
<KP875> i think after about 5 hours last night, it got burned into my brain
<CO149> castro cancelled
<CIDR> TT205: yeah, he split
<CO149> he said it would be demeaning
<DDM73> cool
<CIDR> CO149: what's shakin' down at the park? anything new?
<CO149> big crowd getting lunch
<CO149> prot base does a rollcall and battery check
<CO149> i haven't been bi-monitoring, just switching back and forth
* CO149 notes that if you are ever issued a radio for an event, *please* listen to it. Nothing more boring than hearing control call people over and over. (prots and copz both having this problem)
* IJ89 returns with tiny multimeter in tow
<DDM73> DC1020: babette?
* IJ89 consumes some food and ponders his place in the universe
* CO149 slips out to dan/rey's for a sandwich
<tterb> it is downright normal today
<CO149> tterb: let's you and I go bust some heads
<tterb> heh
<tterb> werd
<CIDR> hmm
<CIDR> what's strict /bin/sh for "not"?
<CIDR> ! doesn't seem to cut it
<IJ89> it doesn't?
<IJ89> it should
<tterb> you might have to escape it or something
* tterb knows not the intricacies of shell programming
<IJ89> could it be ^?
<tterb> ! expression True if expression is false.
<tterb> /bin/sh doesn't have a !
<CIDR> oh
<CIDR> good
<tterb> its for test or [
<CIDR> fooey
<DC1020> "federal district judge acts to protect amazon.com's patented 1-click technology - bars online competitor from infringing on it"
<IJ89> yeah, it seems to be a combination of xterm, vim, and cutting from the very top line down
<tterb> cider: you can also run the command before the if and check $? in a test
<CIDR> yeah
<CIDR> that's what i ended up doing
* CO149 notes that the scientologists are boarded up
<CO149> mtg.
<DC1020> HA
<CO149> yeah
*** Signoff: DDM73 (eeeeeek)
<CO149> laughed my ass off
<DC1020> "protect the sacred bust of EL_RON!"
<DC1020> and all of that precious proprietary religion
<TT205> oh, man.
<TT205> okay, that's the one thing i think i could enjoy looting and pillagin.
* TT205 smashes windows and runs out screaming with an armful of E-meters!
<IJ89> brooke reports internal police review after stamper looked at the videos of cap hill last night
<DC1020> oh?
<DC1020> like most internal spd reviews, it'll be xyzzy
<IJ89> "i saw some things [on the police side] thjat i didn't agree with"
<DC1020> (on the whole, i suspect this is a good town to be a cop in. lousy pay, but mostly dull and the department covers your ass should you fuck up.)
<IJ89> (i suspect you're right)
<IJ89> yeah, i would guess that there's a lot of donut-eatin' and not as much tracking down viscious criminals who kill cops for fun
<CO149> metro closed from lenora to jackson
<CO149> univ st tunnel station closed
<CO149> other stations open
<DC1020> CO149: GAK
<CO149> any1 want the alert msg?
<poon> yeah
<CO149> poon [whirlpool] muppetlabs?
<poon> gak
<poon> yeah
* CO149 -> mtg
<spud> Mmmm, batter.
<DC1020> er, sure.
<hades> FUCK
* KP875 plugs in his scanner and has to go to a meeting
<poon> something happening near pioneer square?
<KP875> (not that i know of)
<poon> what's with the bus closures?
* DC1020 MONITORING again
<IJ89> prolly more protesters in the southern part of downtown, or something. maybe the cops have started shooting citizens
<IJ89> (i noticed on the news last night that stamper inferred that protesters were not citizens)
<DC1020> (citizens would have homes in the city in which they would be hiding from the police presence. protesters would be in the streets, then.)
<IJ89> clearly
<IJ89> i didn't like the implication that protesters aren't citizens though, sicne the word "citizen" wasn't qualified
<IJ89> even assuming all the protesters are from out of town, they're still citizens
<DC1020> anyone not from seattle is a barbarian
<IJ89> ah. gotcha
* IJ89 buys a flamethrower to enforce that opinion
<IJ89> (i have no idea what that meant)
<KP875> heheh
<KP875> Thu Dec 2 15:26:47 PST 1999
<KP875> is it not 3:25 on Thursday, Dec 2?
<KP875> (well, 3:26...)
<DC1020> 15:27
<DC1020> i show
<KP875> heh
<DC1020> eidolon and amazon boxes agree.
<DC1020> to the second.
<KP875> i like meetings, it is a nice break. trying to find people that should be in meeting rooms that are already being used 10 minutes after the meeting was scheduled sucks, though
* KP875 checks his grammar module
<DC1020> don't bother. chuck it and replace with BR903
<SW548> guess who said this:
<SW548> ``People should be ready...for certain disruptions in public services and mass media should draw the public's attention to this world crisis,'' the television quoted Mohammad Sepehri-Rad, secretary of the state High Council of Informatics, as saying.
<SW548> well, OK, I gave it away - any guess as to the country?
<SW548> I thought CIDR was "secretary to the state High Council of Informatics"?
<DC1020> whoa
<DC1020> one of those commie muslim countries.
<spud> ALLAH!
<DC1020> iraq? iran?
<DC1020> ALLAH!
<SW548> Iran. Glad their just now getting around to spreading the blame....
<SW548> ALLAH!
<DC1020> heheh
<DC1020> no doubt.
* IJ89 is an Informational Compu-Matrix
<DC1020> SW548: what was that in reference to?
<SW548> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991202/tc/yk_iran_3.html
<DC1020> http://www.theonion.com/onion3544/ad_assault.html
<IJ89> was just reading that
<DC1020> cool. "great satan" to blame for iran's y2k woes.
<poon> cool
<DC1020> yeah, that's pretty cool.
<SW548> "I agree"
<DC1020> bummer we don't have a 'great satan' here to blame y2k on. the ruskies our out.
<SW548> I think we all need "Great Satan" UUID's, so the Iranians can start telling us apart
<DC1020> maybe we can blame the mormons? or homos? or feminists?
*** SW548 is now known as GS_011766
<DC1020> HEH
<DC1020> heheheh
<DC1020> there's one! get him!
<DC1020> ALLAH!
* GS_011766 is to blame!
*** GS_011766 is now known as SW548
<poon> is that your barcode?
<poon> or a ghostcript build from 1966?
<poon> have you travelled here from 1966?
<TT205> ALLAH!
* IJ89 is reminded that he awoke this morning at 3:51 to the sound of a loud explosion, as he dreamed he double-clicked some icon twice
<IJ89> fortunately (or not, i'm not sure), the sound was in my head
<KP875> doh, now that is a real helicopter
<IJ89> heh
* poon also hears choppers
<poon> i thought it was odd it was near beacon hill
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<IJ89> hey simple
<simple> howdy
<IJ89> simple, are you aka SoyBomb?
<simple> yup
*** simple is now known as SoyBomb
<IJ89> check
<IJ89> just wondering
<SoyBomb> seen spud?
<IJ89> hrm. he was around a bit ago
<SoyBomb> I fed him some bogus info a while earlier...
<IJ89> *** spud has been idle for 1368 seconds
<spud> SoyBomb!
<spud> Heya.
<hades> Ninjas at 917 virginia street.
<poon> indeed
<poon> ninjas?
<IJ89> really?
<IJ89> "if the cops saw them, they must already be dead"
<hades> Heh. Actually, she said "those ninja-types we saw last night"
<IJ89> dang
<IJ89> oh well
<poon> "return of american ninja 6"
* CO149 GTNMIINOOR
* CO149 gets a paper
<KP875> rumor of curfew on capitol hill
<CO149> wtf been going on since i disappeared?
* CO149 sees a shitload of retail core completely closed
<CO149> you need wto cred just to go shopping...if anyone manages to open
<poon> KP875: no way
<KP875> poon: not sure if it is true, someone on drizzle just said they heard about it somewhere...
<IJ89> CO149: the world ended and was replaced my a papier maché replica
<CO149> i guess.
<CO149> it was so quiet this morning
<CO149> restriction map in paper as follows:
<CO149> seneca-pine, 4th-I5, plus pine to lenora, 4th-6th
<hades> Spock's number is 499 3549
<IJ89> "spock"?
<KP875> Dr. or Mr. Spock?
<CO149> SPOC
<CO149> seattle police ops center
<CO149> 499 is a cellphone
<hades> Aha.
<hades> SPOC, check.
<hades> I was wondering what it was.
<IJ89> ok. i'm off
* CO149 decides he might be able to get a 358 adexter/denny
<IJ89> CO149, are you ok to get home by yourself tonight? i'm going to be incapable of passenger-carrying
<CO149> oh yeah
<IJ89> kewl
<CO149> metro pages me reminding me of curfew
<IJ89> i'd offer you a ride, but i'm not ready for that yet, much less actually having the necessary equipment for ya
<CO149> no prob
<IJ89> you gave metro your pager number>?
<CO149> yeah.
<CO149> well, tne pager email address
<CO149> did that last week. seemed a fine idea
<IJ89> interesting
<IJ89> that's a cool service, actually
<IJ89> anyway, i'm off. see you at the tower o' lard
<CO149> it's just a mailing list, but i sub'd with the pager address
* CO149 bounces metro email to poon
<poon> gracias
<CO149> <q news from Starbucks>
<CO149> If you live in the Capitol Hill area, please be advised we have learned that
<CO149> there is a flyer circulating calling for a protest rally against the Seattle
<CO149> Police Department on Capitol Hill at 7:00 p.m. tonight. We do not know the
<CO149> exact location of the event, but it is anticipated that it will occur near
<CO149> Seattle Central Community College.
<CO149> </q>
<hades> I thought that was supposed to be at 5:30
<CO149> *shrug*
<hades> Indeed.
<CO149> FOG_OF_WAR
<poon> CO149: that sucks
<poon> we should give the cops flamethrowers
<CO149> we should give *everyone* flame throwers
<poon> i bet the protesters wouldn't come near the cops if they had flamethrowers
<poon> hehe. indeed.
<CO149> and take away their clothes
<SW548> I certainly wouldn't go near a cop w/no clothes
<CO149> i woudn't go near a broadwayite with no clothes
<CO149> well, no ont the street anyway..
* CO149 out
<CIDR> it's already building now
<CIDR> (the rally)
<CIDR> er.
* CIDR wonders why the cops should get flamethrowers - they've already got all the other toys.
<CIDR> i think the taking away everyone's clothes idea is swell, though.
<poon> CIDR: you see/hear folk outside? where's this rally? are they gassing again? what's going on? where am i?
<CIDR> no, it's down hear the college, no, not sure, some freak
<CIDR> oh, where - not who.
<CIDR> s/some freak/somewhere/
<CIDR> heh
<poon> thank you oh wise one
<CIDR> sure!
<CIDR> actually, there doesn't seem to be a lot happening.
*** DC1020 is now known as deadman
<CIDR> i think the cops may be coralling busses to make mass arrests with, but i'm not sure.
* deadman animates
<CIDR> deadman
<deadman> CIDR
<deadman> magic dragon was closed
<CIDR> lame!
<CIDR> oh.
<deadman> and ileen's closed the kitchen.
*** CIDR is now known as cider
<cider> heh
<cider> jeez
<cider> is the bar open?
<deadman> "duh"
<deadman> heh.
<deadman> where would the silly straight kids go to get loaded and then taunt police?
<cider> right.
<cider> heh
<deadman> saw dylan in the march
<cider> yeah, i just tried to call him to tell him to expect to be arrested shortly.
<deadman> he was marching with folks down the sidewalk.
<cider> he mentioned he was gonna be marching.
<cider> not exactly sure why.
<deadman> protesting the action against residents last night.
<cider> ah.
<poon> residents protesting the cops messing with protesters
<deadman> i managed to score some takeout from noodle studio, though.
<poon> there's irony in there somewhere
<cider> is that at all evident, or are they mixed in with the WTO folks?
<deadman> gonna scarf that.
<deadman> it was 95% residents, some small wto stuff.
<cider> huh
<cider> just talked to dylan
<cider> apparently there is a lot of talk of a march to the jail.
<BR903> Is vivace already closed?
<cider> not as of 1/2 hour ago
* poon wishes vivace delivered
<poon> maybe kozmo will get me some vivace
<BR903> They will probably close before I can get out of here.... *SIGH*.
<poon> BR903: we should make a run for it
* BR903 has not has any vivace coffee since Sunday.
* poon neither
<cider> BR903: you should protest.
<poon> hehe. yes!
<BR903> I can't. I gotta at least stick around until QA signs off on master.
<poon> "good idea"
* poon will sign off for them
<BR903> I mean, I suppose I could just walk out - but it would be awfully unsporting of me.
<BR903> I like our QA folks and do not wish to dump any more work onto them.
<poon> ah, come on
<BR903> Sounds like a contingent of protesters are heading towards the UW campus?
<cider> could be
*** poon is now known as |
<cider> "it's about time"
<|> > The Dean's Office has been notified that the University is
<|> > officially closed as of 4:45 this afternoon, Thursday December 2,
<|> > 1999. You are urged to leave ASAP, protestors from the WTO are
<|> > moving toward campus.
*** | is now known as poon
<BR903> "Thee Eitenerante Protesttor"
<BR903> Monday: Downtown
<BR903> Tuesday: Capitol Hill
<BR903> Wednesday: U District
<BR903> (Thursday: Queen Anne)
<cider> today's thursday.
<BR903> Oh.
<BR903> Whatever.
<cider> heheheh
<cider> they're late!
<BR903> (Friday: Ballard)
<cider> heh
<tterb> protestors *from* the wto?
<tterb> heh
<poon> they have come to pass judgement
<poon> the end is near
<poon> anyone know where that crowd on cap. hill is?
* poon considering going home, don't want to drive into a crowd
<poon> i guess if they're heading to 12th/pine i could just shoot up to 14th from madison, huh?
*** Signoff: poon (- see you folksies)
* deadman MONITORING
<deadman> BR903
<deadman> you out there?
* deadman watching WTO coverage on mcneil/lehr
<deadman> like, they're talking to delegates about wto stuff.
<deadman> heh.
<deadman> it's sorta interesting
<deadman> cool - now they're talking about the martian polar lander
<cider> whoa
<cider> i *totally* read that as "partial molar lander"
<deadman> heheheh
<deadman> weirdo
<cider> yeah
<cider> that's what i was thinking.
<cider> heh
<deadman> the polar lander is cool
<deadman> interesting. lockeed/martin flys the lander. jpl tells 'em what to do.
<deadman> wow. cool mini probes
<deadman> ah. it was lockhead/martin's fuckup that lost the last martian satellite.
*** KP875 is now known as kirk
<cider> kirk
<kirk> cider
* kirk brb
<kirk> okay
<kirk> you home? i got your scanner
<cider> yeah - cool!
<cider> how much do i owe ya?
<kirk> i'll bring it over
<cider> ok
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<BR903> deadman: Hi, I'm back.
<BR903> Got QA-sign-off on one of my pieces.
<BR903> Now I gotta wait around for the other piece to finish building and pushing and getting QA-signoff.
<BR903> God, I want out of here.
<BR903> I'
<deadman> BR903
<deadman> hey
<BR903> It's not even 7. It feels like 11:30 or something.
<BR903> Hey ho.
<deadman> you want me to go up and see if vivace is open? i can grab ya one of those nasty latté things....
<deadman> heh.
<BR903> Oh god yes.
<deadman> k
* kirk monitoring
<BR903> If they are still open please grab me two iced hazelnuts and I will pay you back triple.
<BR903> Tenfold.
<deadman> heheheh
<BR903> Whatever.
<deadman> k - putting clothes back on.
<poon> as you typed that, were you wearing pants?
* cider armed with pro-94!
<cider> (and absolutely no idea how to use it)
* deadman is WEARING NO PANTS
<poon> cider: where from did you fetch such thing?
* poon speak in fragment today
<cider> kirk scored 'em at the U dist rat shack
<poon> dang
<cider> though they had to have them brought in from some remote locale
*** Signoff: poon (out)
<deadman> okay
<deadman> i'm re-clothed
<kirk> cider: forget what i said about AC powered operation and batteries, i had my adapter on backwards. heh
<deadman> and out to see if vivace is still open.
<cider> kirk: ah, got it - heh
<deadman> oh god.
<deadman> they're supposed to march back to capitol hill
<deadman> from the jail house
* deadman off to vivace very fast.
<cider> who are?
<deadman> the folks who marched down this morning
<cider> oh, cripes.
<deadman> they're trying to get folks who were arrested set free.
<deadman> or something.
<deadman> oops.
<deadman> folks marching south on broadway
<deadman> some other group.
<BR903> Curfew on Capitol Hill as of now.
<deadman> dunno where they're at. just "moving south on broadway"
<deadman> yeah.
<cider> great!
<cider> yay
<deadman> er
* cider feverishly trying to learn how to use scanner
<kirk> i got nw cable news back on over here
<kirk> nwcn still has no capitol hill info
<kirk> no info on a capitol hill curfew, that is
<deadman> crap
<deadman> vivace appears to be closed
<deadman> i can't fucking believe there's a curfew
<deadman> on my street
<deadman> okay
<deadman> i'm pissed
* deadman heading out
*** hades has changed the topic on channel #foo to Please note, if you should change this recipe it will no longer be an approved Betty Crocker(R) Recipe.
<kirk> heh
<cider> hades.
<cider> heh
<cider> that is an *awesome* topic
<hades> *grin*
<hades> It's printed at the bottom of every recipe in MasterCook 5.0 "Deluxe Betty Crocker" edition
<cider> no way!
<cider> *every* recipe?
<hades> Mmm. No, I guess not. Just the ones in the betty crocker recipe books, which is most of the recipes
<cider> wow. betty must be busy.
* kirk reading the pro-94 manual
<hades> Heh.
<cider> (anyone know what the hell's going on on cap hill at the moment?)
<hades> Cops waiting for signal to do something
<hades> sounds like converging on 6th and broadway-ish
<hades> James is closed to all traffic between 4000 block and terry street
<kirk> nwcn says the group is going to head to sccc where the police will let them group
<kirk> sccc? is that right? whatever that college is on broadway. heh
<hades> Everyone who bought a pro-94 in the last 4 days, raise your hand.
* hades raises his hand.
* kirk raises his hand
<kirk> heh
* cider raises hand
<hades> *snrk*
<deadman> (i feel left out. sniff.)
<kirk> everyone that has any clue how to use it, raise their hand
<kirk> heh
* cider sticks his hand in his pocket and looks at his shoes
* hades raises his hand
<hades> The manual was actually informative, sorta.
<cider> yeah, i'm just trying to read it at lightspeed.
<tterb> I would have bought one, but..
<kirk> are there any frequencies we should know?
<hades> Yeah, hold on a sec and I'll post the frequencies.
<tterb> anything out the window deadman?
<hades> Actually
<tterb> you hit vivace yet deadman?
<hades> check www.trunkscanner.com
<deadman> tterb: vivace is closed.
<deadman> you at home?
<hades> http://www.trunkscanner.com/states/wa.html
<tterb> fuck
<tterb> yeah
<tterb> just arrived.
<tterb> was thinking of checking out sccc
<kirk> i was too, after i see if it is relatively calm
<hades> I understand there are only 300-350 people.
<hades> So it's probably not too bad.
<tterb> eh, I'd like to be there anyway..
<tterb> that seems like a lot
<tterb> there was less than that last night, wasn't there?
<hades> Hmm. Yeah, I guess so.
* tterb wonders where he can find coffee
<deadman> about 200/250 at roy/broadway
<cider> not at the beginning, but by the time things got out of hand, yeah
<tterb> by the time they were up on the hill, right?
<hades> Guardian-1 being used as the world's most expensive flashlight.
<kirk> heheh
*** Signoff: wade (Leaving)
<hades> James closed to traffic west of broadway.
*** wade (wade [whirlpool] onetouch.net) has joined channel #foo
<hades> group moving, with police escort
<deadman> no mention of a curfew on broadway
<BR903> The curfew was reported to me by Laura, whom I presume heard it from the media.
<tterb> where they at?
<cider> hmm, maybe she saw it on drizzle? someone mentioned that earlier.
<kirk> cityofseattle.gov and nwcn are saying nothing about it
<hades> About 200 people headed towards freeway, presumably on James
<cider> yeah, it may be exagerated
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<deadman> yeah, no curfew on broadway as far as i can tell.
<kirk> eww, student activists on nwcn. i think i'm going to mute it
<deadman> heh.
<hades> Er.
<kirk> yeah, the first statement one of them made was pretty lame
<hades> ANd about 100-150 people headed _east_ on james
* TT205 MOTNIROGIN
<hades> under i-5 now.
<hades> 2-300 in the jail's plaza, not leaving
<tterb> on james?
<hades> 's what they said
<tterb> isn't that pretty far from sccc?
* wade MONITORING
<tterb> or have they moved that far already?
<BR903> Well, whoever may have reported it on drizzle probably got it from the media, so it's much the same thing.
<hades> I think perhaps there was something else going on and the two groups are converging
<tterb> hmm.. so is there anyone up at sccc or have they left>?
<tterb> i.e. have I missed them
<BR903> In any case, my point was that the media has been a notoriously unreliable source throughout this whole set of events.
<tterb> true
<deadman> there may still be folks up there - sec - i'll check out my porch
<deadman> The Media is still at sccc, so there are prolly still a gang of folks there. and i could hear the folks from downtown marching up. well, the ones who left the jail, anyway.
<hades> Bullhorn requested by direct action network at 5/cherry
<deadman> ugh
<deadman> copter back
<cider> it's been up at this end for a while
<kirk> i am _so_ not understanding this scanner
<hades> Majority of protesters moving onto college property
<hades> james/broadway, sounds like
<hades> Kirk: for trunking, what you do is enter all the frequencies in the trunk group (as provided by the other manual which came with it), then hit "src" to have it search for the data channel.
<BR903> QA signoff. I am free to go.
<hades> Once it's done that, it should start displaying 4-6 digit numbers whenever it tunes in to something.
<deadman> BR903: woo!
<hades> Those numbers are the talk groups which correspond to "channels" you can scan for.
<tterb> james?
<tterb> isn't james down by jackson?
<hades> Is it?
<tterb> ya
<hades> I'm not familiar with that area. Perhaps they're saying something else and I'm mishearing it.
<tterb> there's no james up on the "hill"
<tterb> odd
<tterb> well, i'm gonna go check it out
<deadman> well
<deadman> james goes up the hill
<deadman> down by the id
<deadman> more like first hill area.
<deadman> no
<deadman> wait
* deadman puts the crack down.
*** Signoff: TEE2 (Leaving)
<LKM15> I may be confused but I thinnk James becomes Cherry.
<cider> that's correct
<cider> when it crosses bway, or so
<hades> Eggs being thrown at police somewhere.
<deadman> crap
<hades> Group northbound on broadway
<deadman> getting called by work
<deadman> inetd problems everywhere.
<hades> Ick.
<deadman> "i didn't change anything"
<deadman> conference call, too. i suspect it'll suck.
<kirk> heh, this woman is obviously drunk or stoned
<kirk> (calling into nwcn)
<hades> Heheh.
* cider isn't sure he's programming this thing correctly
<cider> oh.
<cider> heh.
<cider> i'm not.
<cider> d'oh.
<kirk> i think i'm getting it, i'll find out in a sec
<deadman> cider: do you have dbez's number?
<hades> "curfew includes daytime hours" *blink*
<hades> Isn't a curfew something that determines how late you can be out?
<cider> yep
<cider> it's going
<cider> deadman: not on me
<deadman> got it
<deadman> is BR903
<deadman> around?
<deadman> vivace stand is open
<deadman> tterb just called and told me.
* deadman wonders if he should still go get those lattés
* hades goes overboard with his amazon wish list
* cider seems to be scanning!
<hades> 38 items. Oh dear.
<hades> Yay, cider!
<cider> heh
<cider> i just read the six-step instructions, so i don't *really* know what i'm doing, but it says it's "searching", and i'm getting stuff.
<cider> though one of these freq's is nothing but noise
<hades> static noise, or tone-ful data type noise?
<cider> static noise, i think.
<cider> hard to say.
<hades> Hm.
<hades> Does the display read "trunk" in the upper left?
<cider> yeah
<cider> might be data noise
<hades> Did you press "src"?
<cider> there's a high-freq pulse in it
<cider> yeah
<hades> Huh.
* deadman to vivace
<kirk> i pressed src and it is still scanning or something
<hades> "44880"?
<cider> yep
<hades> Go ahead and press "s/s" when you hear that and it'll lock it out.
<cider> ah, cool - thanks
<hades> Hit http://www.elsewhere.org/wto/ and I've got a list of the groups my scanner's listening to.
<cider> 'k
<hades> You can enter them into the scan banks using "Prog"
<cider> yeah, so i put the ones in the book in the first - so i put those in the second?
<hades> Once you've got the frequencies programmed into the first bank, you can add talk groups to its sub-banks.
<cider> ah.
<hades> I think if you hit prog, then hit the up and down arrows, you'll see it go from 1-10 5 times, each time illuminating a small digit near the middle of the display to indicate which sub-bank you're in.
<hades> To enter a talk group id into a scan bank entry, hit prog, then find the slot you want to put it in using the up/down arrows, then type the id and hit "E"
<hades> I think that's how it works. If the manual sez otherwise, believe it.
<cider> whoa
<cider> bus shot at @ boren/yesler
<hades> *blink*
<cider> van hit w/ gunfire boren/bway
<hades> Good lord.
<cider> struck w/ unknown object
<hades> What group are you hearng that on?
<cider> er
<cider> heh
<cider> i'm not too clear on what a "group" is vs. a frequency.
<cider> "i just heard it"
<hades> Heh.
<cider> it came out of the magic box.
<hades> Trunking's a bit hard to grok at first. It's like ethernet, really.
<hades> Youv'e got a bunch of stuff, cables, frequencies, whatever, that you can use to send packets.
<hades> Each packet has an ID that identifies where it goes or who it's from.
<cider> van got hit w/ object from pkg garage @ boren/bway, cops en route to investigate
<cider> er, bus.
<cider> no van, apparently. maybe a metro van.
<hades> Once you've got the frequencies entered, it's like having an ethernet segment. The talk groups are the 4-6 digit numbers that appear on the display when the scanner picks something up, and identify the source and destination of the packet you're listento.
<hades> listening to.
<cider> ok.
<cider> hmm.
<cider> i'm seeing some five digit numbers, too.
<hades> If you're in "search" mode, your scanner is in promiscuous mode and will replort anything it hears on the segment.
<cider> right.
<hades> Or you can enter groups into the banks, and only listen to them.
<hades> Yeah, I guess the numbers can be 2-6 digits.
<hades> The list CO149 sent me is at http://www.elsewhere.org/tmp/scanner/trunk_ids.txt
<hades> Er.
<hades> 2-5 digits.
<hades> group ids are in the range 0x0000 - 0xFFFF
<cider> so selecting the different groups is like using a "host whatever" filter for tcpdump (to stick with the metaphor)
<hades> Although the last four bits are used for status indication, and the pro-94 ignores them by default, so all your groups will be multiples of 16.
<cider> ah, ok
<hades> Yeah, that's a good metaphor.
<hades> The scanner is tcpdump.
<cider> hmm, sounds like they're opening downtown up a bit
<kirk> cider: can you show me how this works? he
<kirk> h
<cider> yeah, i think so. kinda.
<cider> heh
<kirk> woohoo, it works
<cider> heheh
*** Signoff: LKM15 (Leaving)
<cider> hmm.
<cider> i don't think i'm getting this talk group thing yet.
<cider> crowd moving south, bway/repub
<cider> the troops seem to be hiding out in the east precinct.
<hades> Hey, does anybody know how much it costs to wire money via western union?
<hades> Their website is predictably unhelpful
<cider> not sure - i've done it before, and it wasn't bad
<cider> but i don't remember the rates
<hades> Yeah, that was my memory.
<cider> "remember we talked about the *mumble*? exercise that plan"
<hades> Dammit.
<hades> There was a power outage at my house around 5am, and now I have to reprogram the vcrs.
<hades> Thank god I'm not my grandmother.
<cider> heh
<cider> whoa
<cider> heh
<hades> God damn, tonya's father's side of the family annoys me.
<hades> Her dad and uncle are here, so I'm hiding out in the computer room.
<hades> Her uncle has $1500 in cash located in colorado. He wants to have it here.
<cider> like at your place?
<hades> Well. Seattle.
<hades> But he doesn't seem to trust western union.
<hades> And he seems willing to trust the USPS to transfer a cashier's check.
<hades> Inconsistencies like that bug the hell out of me.
<cider> uh
<cider> yeah.
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<cider> crowd of 50 at jack'n'box on bway
<hades> Ah, I see.
<hades> The reason he doesn't want to send it with WU is that they charge money to do it.
<cider> huh
* hades recommends that he have the person with the cash put it in a box, insure the box for $1500 and send it via UPS or FedEx or someone.
<cider> heh - yeah
<hades> Would be much less than Western Union charges.
<hades> Fire in the intersection of broadway/pine?
<cider> yep
<hades> ISn't that, umm, a Texaco?
<cider> cmd5 seems to be dealing with the bway stuff the most
<hades> Or a chevron?
<cider> "both"
<hades> brilliant.
<cider> they're kitty-cornered from each other
<cider> guardian one going in for refueling.
<cider> heh
<kirk> heh
<cider> stuck radio
<cider> i was wondering what that was, and realized it was guys marching
* BR903 MOTORING IN
<kirk> BR903
<BR903> Hey kirk.
<cider> BR903
<BR903> cider. Don's with me.
<BR903> He wanted to share this with you: "inetd problem traced to port scans."
<BR903> Heheheh. And who's the one who figured it out first?
<BR903> None but the dronely.
<BR903> "Even now I am contorted, patting myself on the back."
* BR903 is actually quite impressed with DC1020's sleuthing as well.
<cider> heheheh
<cider> excellent
<cider> doesn't surprise me much.
<cider> though that was very sharp thinking, definitely
<BR903> "Fuckin' DU inetd. Crappy as hell."
<cider> yeah
<kirk> walking south on pine?
<kirk> heh
<cider> kirk
<kirk> "is that east or west on pine?"
<kirk> cider
<cider> have you figured out how to program groups of talk groups?
<cider> heheh
<hades> Oh.
<kirk> nope
<hades> I know how to do that.
<cider> ah
<cider> heh
<cider> i was trying to follow the docs, but got lost.
<hades> You'e got 10 groups to play with, per set of trunking frequencies.
<hades> Or maybe it's 5.
<cider> five groups of ten groups, or something.
<hades> SOmething like that, yeah.
<cider> or five groups of ten ids.
<cider> i guess
<hades> 5 sets of 10 sounds right.
<hades> If you hit program and then repeatedly hit the up or down arrow, watch the display to see what changes.
<cider> ah.
<cider> yes.
<cider> numbers in the top change, and id's change
<hades> There should be an incrementing (or decrementing, I guess) number each time you hit up, and another one which increments ever 10 times you hit it.
<cider> numbers at the bottom change, too
<hades> THe slower one is your group.
<hades> And the faster one is the slot # in that group.
<cider> right.
<cider> sounds like a copter is back
<hades> If you enter ids into slots, you can scan for groups of them by putting the different groups of ids into different ... banks of slots.
<hades> Terminology gets fuzzy here.
<cider> right
<cider> that's what keeps tripping me up :)
<hades> Then, when you hit scan, press the digits 1-5 to enable or disable scanning for the ids in the bank of ids corresponding to the number you pressed.
<cider> ok.
<cider> units double time to 9/pine
<cider> i think i'm getting it. i wasn't clear on the "scan" thing.
<cider> i just had it in "src" mode
<cider> (is that "search"?)
<hades> Yeah, src is what I meant.
<kirk> i keep hearing static for like 20 seconds and then it switches channels/groups/whatever
<cider> actually, i think you want it in scan mode to be able to select different banks of ids
<cider> HEH
<cider> "guardian one - we're back with you - we're over the paramount" "oh, thank goodness - received"
<cider> hmm
<cider> another stuck radio
<kirk> heheh
<cider> anyone know if qfc is open?
<kirk> i'm betting no, but i wish it was, i want to get food (wanted to get it last night, in fact)
<cider> yeah, i need to get some quarters.
<cider> i have to do laundry.
<cider> heh
<BR903> I have shitloads of quarters.
<cider> wow
<cider> my monitor can cause static on the scanner
<cider> BR903: really?
<BR903> Seriously.
<BR903> I save 'em up.
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<cider> cool, i might wanna buy some off ya.
<BR903> I can give you enough to do many loads.
<poon> large group of people at broadway and pine
<poon> vivace still open, btw
<cider> BR903: i'm gonna go see if qfc is open, but may take you up on that.
<BR903> Okay. I'm closer than QFC, though. I have more than I need myself.
<cider> yeah, i need to buy some other stuff, too, if they're open, though
<BR903> Gotcha.
* hades has about $50 in quarters, too.
<hades> In a jar in the bedroom.
<hades> Every night after work, change in pockets goes into jar. Occasionally nickles and pennies get taken out of jar.
<hades> nickels? Nickels.
* TT205 MOTNIROGIN
<kirk> i really wish they'd come up with a generic name for molatov cocktails
<kirk> TT205
<cider> yeah
<kirk> or is that a generic name?
<cider> i was just thinking that
<cider> i dunno
<cider> TT205
<TT205> oy!
*** TT205 is now known as delores
<delores> "sorry"
<cider> delores
* deadman springs to action
<deadman> delores
<hades> a crude bomb made of a bottle filled with a flammable liquid (as gasoline) and usually fitted with a wick (as a saturated rag) that is ignited just before the bottle is hurled
<hades> "molotov cocktail"
<cider> deadman
<hades> Etymology: Vyacheslav M. Molotov
<cider> heh
<deadman> re all
<cider> re
<deadman> nasty crazies all over bway
<cider> yeah, so it would seem
<cider> though the north end is pretty tame
<deadman> yeah. things get crazy the nearer you got to anywhere that sells beer.
<cider> ah, i see
<kirk> oh! we saw our friend!
<cider> you been out doing recon?
<cider> HEH
<cider> yeah - we saw "two bit" or whatever
<deadman> tidbit?
<deadman> heheheh
<cider> he looked, uh, worn down.
<deadman> HEH
<kirk> yeah, very
<hades> You know someone named "tidbit"?
<cider> well.
<cider> "know" is a funny word.
<deadman> "yes"
<deadman> heheh
<kirk> he was totally hunched over. kinda sad, actually
* hades shuts up, realizing he knows someone who occasionally goes by "fleshpuppy"
<kirk> heh
<cider> we, er, had a minor altercation with mr. tidbit
<cider> wait.
<cider> fleshpuppy sounds familiar.
<cider> heh
<deadman> yeah, claimed silly street name of "two-bit"
<hades> Heh.
<deadman> though "tidbit" seems to be more apt.
<hades> flesh puppy was a "lady in waiting" at RHPS cast in the u district.
<deadman> our poor little bisexual scamp.
<hades> I've seen her in other contexts, tho.
<deadman> heh.
<hades> Jacob probably knows her.
<cider> ah, that would explain it.
<cider> that fits - i think i remember her in the context of one of his parties
<cider> people peeing behind a wall.
<cider> fbi is on it.
<hades> *snrk*
<deadman> "thank god"
<deadman> keeping the city safe for law-abiding urinators everywhere.
<cider> where's hubble place?
<deadman> damn...can't quite place it....
<deadman> i know i've been there.
<cider> (oh, hades - i owe you beer or tequila or wheat thins or whatever for getting me on my feet with this scanner, btw)
<deadman> beer AND tequila AND wheat things
<deadman> things
<deadman> thins
<deadman> there
<deadman> heh
<cider> heh
<hades> Oooh , wheat things.
* deadman doing an altavista search
<deadman> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~naibor/index.html
<deadman> first hit
<deadman> only seems to be about beer, though.
<deadman> +beer AND +tequila AND +"wheat thins" yields:
<deadman> http://www.drunkenbastards.org/adb/quotes/9thquote.htm
<deadman> heh.
<hades> *blink*
<deadman> so where'd you guys run into t-bit?
<kirk> he was just wandering outside of qfc
<kirk> he must not have seen us
<kirk> or that is why he was so hunched over, he didn't want us to notice him
<kirk> hades: so, do you have any priorities set on your scanner?
<hades> Not on the trunking one, yet.
<cider> ah, you only get one priority channel per bank
<kirk> ah
<cider> and it's not clear if it works with trunking or not
<kirk> anarchist in lake city?
<deadman> hm. andy biddle?
<kirk> he's an anarchist? heh
* tterb monitoring
*** IJ89 is now known as reaper
<kirk> reaper
* reaper discovers that *every* cell on his m/c battery needed at least 1 inch of water added (diff between "min" and "max" is less than 1 cm)
<reaper> hey kirk
<tterb> qfc is in fact closed
<reaper> man, i had to push that fucking bike 1/4 of a mile today to get it started
<tterb> the little store up by vivace is open
<reaper> hey tterb
<tterb> is two bit the annoying vivace guy
<tterb> the guy who's always harrasing the staff and patrons, that is
<tterb> hey reaper
<kirk> tterb: dunno, but it wouldn't surprise me
<tterb> he's quite belligerent
<tterb> sp?
<tterb> he's seems to get off on annoying the fuck out of everyone
<deadman> er, no
<deadman> that d00d is someone else
<tterb> agh, he bugs me
<deadman> i have no idea who you're talking about. maybe mike? wears a baseball cap? spare changes aggressively? loves ac/dc?
<tterb> heh
<deadman> plays a vicious air guitar when drunk
<deadman> i've seen him wandering around the neighborhood again. hit me up for a light tonight.
<tterb> he wasn't spare changing too much, he was just being obnoxious and load..
<deadman> is often hastling todd at vivace.
<tterb> I found it hard to believe that anyone could be that annoying on accident
<deadman> heh
* reaper attempts to divine where the hell he's supposed to fill the battery up to
* deadman wishing the copters would stop
* reaper hands deadman the shoulder-mount rocket launcher and radar targeting system
* reaper , tender of the muppetlabs, inc. armoury
* tterb goes to protest with signs that say "freebsd"
<cider> HEH
<cider> ]
<deadman> }
<cider> er
<cider> "strike that"
<deadman> *thwap*
<cider> thanks!
<deadman> heh
<deadman> i exist to, well, "you know"
<cider> hooded baklavas?
<deadman> mmmmm
<cider> "kids dressed up as ninjas"
<cider> in a stolen truck
<cider> so i just had a really interesting conversation with a friend of mine.
<deadman> yeah?
<cider> yeah - eric mead - he knows the guy who owns "aurafice" - the new coffee shop on pine
<deadman> right
<cider> the auriface guy was walking home from his coffee shop last night
<deadman> and "of course he does"
<cider> heheh
<cider> cops rushed him and shouted threats at him, so he turned and ran.
<cider> they fired a teargas cannister into his leg from 30' and shattered his ankle.
* tterb looking for svga image viewer
<deadman> fucking *hell*
<cider> he's got a huge cast on it, and filed a lawsuit today
<cider> he
<cider> was pretty pissed about it
<cider> but on the other hand, i heard a really funny story about jim forman from him, too.
<deadman> cider: HEH
<deadman> no way
<cider> tterb: let me know if you find it
<cider> deadman: yep
* tterb finds it
* tterb lets cider know
<cider> our friend paul is a sattelite operator for KOMO
<cider> thanks!
<cider> (wiseass!)
<tterb> hehe
<cider> he was down near the hi-score at some point last night when gassing started
<cider> so he took shelter with some other folks inside the hi-score
<deadman> oh, that must have bee rad.
<deadman> heheheh
<cider> apparently jim forman came running over and was totally spazzing and telling people to let him in.
<kirk> heh
<cider> the guy who was running the hi-score decided he was a lame-o and wouldn't let him in.
<cider> so jim forman apparently said "look here, you little bitch!" and tried to push past the guy
<cider> i guess all the KOMO guys were laughing their ass off
<deadman> *whoa*
<cider> in the end, poor jim had to go elsewher
<cider> e
<cider> i think they should have let him in, kidnapped him, pierced him, given him some tattoos, dyed his hair, and found him a nice leather daddy.
<kirk> heheh
<deadman> HEH
<deadman> lol
<deadman> no kidding.
<cider> there's gotta be a door into rudy's from there.
<deadman> and then found some weather to leave him in.
<cider> or at least there's the alley.
<cider> HEH
<cider> yeah, just dump him in a windstorm somewhere
<deadman> heheh
<cider> hmm
* reaper motnirogin again
* cider hears sound from outside
<cider> reaper
<reaper> hey cider
<deadman> oh, there's our little cub right now.
<reaper> how goes the 'copter 'hood?
<deadman> down at the paramount.
<cider> it's coptertastic
<cider> deadman: oh, what's he doing? posing with the guard?
<cider> cars going around the cones at boren/pine! quick! mobilize the tanks!
<cider> (ok, i made up the part about the tanks)
<deadman> just talking about the crowd. i guess some of these increasingly-tedious protesters are down there now.
<deadman> ooo
<deadman> free parking dtown saturday & sunday
<deadman> no parking meeters
<deadman> most garages free
<cider> HEH
<cider> that's pretty funny.
<deadman> they're trying to get folks to come back downtown to shop after wto
<cider> yeap
<tterb> heh
<cider> atf is downtown?
<deadman> er
<deadman> *the* ATF?
<cider> i think that's what they said. that an ATF unit had detained someone down on alaskan
<cider> i may have misheard - it was a shaky transmission
<reaper> how's the new scanner working out, cider?
<kirk> reaper: you know what kind of range the transmissions have that we are listening to? can we only pick up local channels?
<cider> reaper: good, very cool, actually
<reaper> kirk: you're listening to a repeater on some nearby mountain, but "nearby" in this case means like issaquah, or bremerton. so, you are hearing stuff from potentially about 30 miles away
<reaper> you might be listening to something on columbia tower, though, i'm not positive
<deadman> ooo - they investigating the black-dressed "anarchists"
<deadman> they trace them to eugene oregan
<deadman> oregon, rather.
<hades> reaper: I think the main frequencies in this trunk are from the columbia tower.
<hades> There are some fill in repeaters on a couple mountains, tho.
* hades goes back to watching last night's tv.
<hades> Mmm, time-shifting.
<kirk> if this helicopter is still in the air at 1 or 2am, i'm seriously thinking of calling in a noise complaint
<deadman> no kidding
<cider> deadman: really?
<cider> (re: anarchists)
<cider> (i was on the phone and not motnirogin)
<cider> how are they not in position to follow that small of a group?
<cider> "we only follow really big groups, sorry"
<deadman> heh
<deadman> yeah, i lost the d00d's name, but apparently there's an anarchist writer in eugene who...inspires...this group. forget what they call themselves.
<deadman> they seem to be short sighted, anti-corporation folks.
<deadman> sure, it seems okay to break a window, shut down a starbucks. but what about the poor fucks who rely on that paycheck and those tips?
<cider> they're talking about putting the helicopter on the ground.
<deadman> excellent. there's only a small crowd at pine/boren now.
<cider> deadman: i bet it goes something like: "it's their fault for relying on starbucks for that paycheck - they get what they deserve"
<poon> "these men are fools"
* reaper hates that attitude
<deadman> oh, right. forgot about that line of reasoning.
<deadman> kids these days - don't remeber the recession of the Reagan Years
<kirk> searching on google for anarchist, eugene, and oregon is giving me some info
<kirk> The young anarchists' mentor is John Zerzan, 55, a writer of
<kirk> books and essays who thinks humanity's best hope lies in smashing
<kirk> civilization back to the days of hunters and gatherers.
<cider> erm
<cider> i'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you, john.
<kirk> heheh
<poon> heh. "anarchist squares"
<kirk> http://www.detnews.com/1999/nation/9907/01/07010190.htm
<kirk> it has more interesting bits
<kirk> apparently 15-20 kids meet at his apartment to strategize every monday night
<reaper> thank god they have an apartment to meet in, and not some blustery field...
<deadman> heh. dominique just got back to me.
* reaper guesses that anyone who really believed that hunter-gatherer crap would be doing something about it rather that writing about it, with a computer, in a heated apartment, making money at it
* reaper feeling extra cynical today
<kirk> yeah
<deadman> well, the silly thing about anarchists - if you're pressing your views upon others, then you're no longer really an anarchist.
<deadman> imho, anyway.
* reaper hears hams chatting on repeater who might actually be involved in protest/cop clashes
<reaper> deadman: indeed. i don't know much about anarchists (the real kind) -- any pointers?
<cider> www.anarchists.com
<cider> (joke)
<reaper> you're kidding, right?
<reaper> ok
<cider> heh
<kirk> looks like there are people squatting on anarchists.com and anarchist.com
<cider> yeah
<reaper> "of course"
<kirk> anarchy.org has some stuff
<reaper> thanks
<kirk> and a definition
<kirk> "A Manifesto is being written by guerilla forces friendly to our project."
<kirk> of course
<kirk> ooh, "powered by hemp"
<kirk> even better, the content of the page is copyrighted
<cider> heheh
* reaper is powered by root beer
<cider> Please send your guides to practical and impractical deviance, instructions for assaults on the industrial-technological
<cider> system, and graphical depictions of massively destructive events to webmaster@anarchy.org.
<kirk> huh, i clicked on the FAQ link and it points to http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/
<kirk> note "CapitolHill"
* cider kinda wants to r00t their website, take a screenshot, and send it to 'em
<cider> yeah
<kirk> heheh
* tterb hates domain squatters
<deadman> heheh
<kirk> i bet anarchists do too
<cider> heh, no doubt
<tterb> i mean.. selling it is bad enough.. but squatting is just criminal
* tterb protests domain squatters
*** cider is now known as |
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<|> .COM
<|> "Militant Anti-Government
<|> Anarchism At Its Best*"
<|> *Now with all kinds of other neat stuff thrown in too!
*** | is now known as cider
<kirk> heh, this anarchy faq is copylefted
<kirk> ah, GPL'ed even
<deadman> overthrow.com has a porn banner ad
<deadman> uncool
<poon> heh
<reaper> mmm. banner ad
<reaper> ok, time for this little drone to toddle off to bed
<deadman> er
<deadman> how do you use whois to get info, now?
<deadman> or do you?
<cider> i dunno.
<delores> cider!
<delores> hey!
<cider> yo!
<delores> what's the plan for tomorrow morning?
<cider> i'll pick you up around 10:30
<delores> right.
<delores> sounds great.
<cider> cool.
<deadman> damn - just when the copter sounds like it's gone, it's back.
<deadman> okay - i'm motoring off to sleep
<cider> 'night
<deadman> well, to finish this movie
<deadman> then sleep
<deadman> heh
<cider> whatcha watching?
<deadman> "the haunting". meant to watch it while i was high on theraflu...wish i were.
<deadman> it sucks.
<deadman> heh.
<deadman> but it's pretty.
<cider> heh
<cider> the HARD_ZONE
<deadman> heh
<deadman> that is *so* gay.
<deadman> heh.
<cider> heheh
<kirk> dude, *you* are gay
<kirk> heheh
<cider> heh
<deadman> oh yeah.
<deadman> heh.
<tterb> pr0n banners on overthrow.com?
<tterb> heh
<tterb> HEH
<deadman> supporting the exploitation of women for the benefit of some (presumeably) white d00d is not very anarchistic.
* kirk thinks he hears a drum
<kirk> the anarchy FAQ is actually a good, thorough, informative FAQ
<tterb> heh
<tterb> it's not?
<kirk> it is
* tterb is not familiar with basic anarchy 101
<kirk> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/
<kirk> "read that"
<kirk> heh
<cider> helicopter out of gas
<cider> heh
<kirk> it is quite big and presents a lot of quotes in an unbiased way (well, the first N pages, I'm only like 1% through it)
* tterb reads
* cider bets that all the headlines tomorrow talk about what a great job spd did defending downtown today.
<tterb> heh
<tterb> yah
<tterb> hmm, quite a noble concept, why aren't more people anarchists?
<poon> the chopper still flies
<cider> tterb: no stock options in it
<kirk> heh
<poon> heh. hoo-ray for stock options
<tterb> heh
<hades> "red dog barks at the moon. bring citrus fruit."
<tterb> but.. we wouldn't need them
* poon 2 3/4 vested this month
<tterb> hmm.. you can't negate soveriegnty
<tterb> we are all sovereign
<poon> too bad it all ends after y2k
<poon> heh
<tterb> eh?
<tterb> oh, the market?
<tterb> or the world heh
<poon> yeah, i hope it's okay, and greenspan doesn't jack up interest rates
<tterb> society, the world/universe, the stock market, russia, take your pick
<poon> yeah. "one or multiples of the above"
<tterb> heh
<tterb> I do ph33r rioting though.
<poon> i don't know what to think.
<poon> there's no herd to follow, so i'm lost
<poon> heh
<tterb> heh
<tterb> I figure I have to allow for the possibility of grocery stores being closed for a while
<poon> yeah. it's kinda late in the year, but i think i'm going to costco sometime this weekend/next week
<tterb> I figure I'm ok for air, water and shelter, I'm just worried about food
<tterb> yeah I'm gonna way stock up on shit
<tterb> maybe order a shitload from grocer.com to my parents house.. heh
<tterb> lord knows I can only fit like a 3 night supply of foo din this place
<kirk> i've got a 3 month supply of twinkies and kool-aid. i figure i'm set
<poon> heh
<tterb> yah
<poon> you need water for kool-aid though
<kirk> i'll use my urine
<tterb> i'll be sure to stop by :)
<poon> or a distiller and some sort of semi-potable water
<poon> heh. don't pull an 'alive' on us...
<tterb> hmm, I would guess you can only drink your own urine for so long
<kirk> yeah, like 1/3 a millisecond
<poon> wouldn't it be a bit salty or something? maybe dehydrate you more?
<poon> hee
<kirk> and i imagine you only urinate like 1/2 of what you drink
<tterb> anything useful in it will eventually be gone
* poon has poon [whirlpool] yahoo.com, and gets the most random shit there
<poon> poon is a popular asian name, i've found out
<poon> "useless facts, by eric maland"